What mother nature thinks of us

[XemaSab]

[FirstLight]

1. happy solstice to you too!

;)

[MrDiaz]

2. EVERYTIME

I get into a debate about global warming a repuke always says who caused the ice age, or who caused all the other climate changes. What is a good response?

[phantom power]

3. My response to that is...

What the previous causes of climate change were has no bearing on whether or not we are causing current climate change, and what we should do about it.

[bigmonkey]

7. My response is "Who cares? The real question is what can we do to calm the climate down."

If we can improve the situation, shouldn't we? Even just on economic grounds? The disruption caused by rising seas and moving agricultural zones is pretty enormous.

[phantom power]

4. By the way, something about this cartoon is deeply unsettling.

I approve.

[MrDiaz]

5. I told them almost the same thing

and their response was, that "The Climate changes in cycles, and it has throughout history. There are no causes it just does, because the planet is alive and it will do what it wants regardless of what we do, which is why there have been these cycles throughout history."

[pscot]

6. +1

[DonCoquixote]

8. this is why I dislike the gaia idea

You cannot think of a loving mother who is the same one that makes animals eat each other to live..

That being said, climate change is real, and needs fixing.

[GliderGuider]

9. Fortunately the real Gaia hypothesis has nothing to do with love or motherhood.

It's about the planet and all its life forms being a self-regulating system. No love needed, none given.

We are, unfortunately, about to discover what "self-regulating" means when we're the component being regulated.

[GliderGuider]

10. We appear to be in global overshoot on all of the following

The climate.
Ocean ecosystems.
Fresh water.
Soil fertility.
The forests.
Non-utilitarian fauna.
Debt.

Being in overshoot degrades the underlying resource base, and leaves less and less for any future activity - by any of the species that depend on it.

[The2ndWheel]

11. When humans begin to adapt to nature again

instead of trying to control it, then we won't have to combat or fight climate change.