A New Way has been found to Bottle Gravity.

[Larry L. Burks]

Obama’s Blue Ribbon Panel on Free Energy.


I had a thought a few months ago. It’s simple but it would work.

There is more than one way to manipulate gravity.

They say the solar nor wind power will ever be the answer to our energy needs.

There is no way to store the energy produced in times of plenty. To be used at a later date and time.

In times of lean.

Which is true.

And then again. That is not true. You can store gravity.

That’s right. You can bottle gravity and use it later.

Here is how.

Hydro electric power like Hoover Dam. Lake Mead is reservoir Used to store water to be used to produce electricity. The lake fills up each spring with water. There is enough water in Lake Mead to last a whole year. Till when next spring comes around. And the Lake filles up again.

I you use the energy produced by solar and wind.. The excess energy it produces can be used to pump water up the hill and in to a reservoir. A lake up high. And then use that stored energy to produce electricity later.

You are not making a reservoir to store water in.

You are making a reservoir to store energy in. Gravity has a very long self life.

Water pressure. Gravity is what causes the water to build up pressure. The higher the water level the. The higher the water pressure goes.

Hoover dam has a water level of 650 feet. A lot lot lot of water pressure.

The sun shines all year. And the wind blows all year.

There is a over supply of sun light and wind. All over the planet. You can make as many solar cell or wind mills as we need. We can also build as many hydro electric power plants as you want.. If you are recycling your water. The water never gets used up. The reservoir never runs dry. You never run out of electricity.

You would need as big a reservoir below the dam as you have above the dam.

You wouldn’t need as big of a reservoir as lake Mead because you will be filling the lake all year long. Instead of just once a year.

You don’t use the solar power and wind power to produce electricity with.

You use the solar power and wind power to fill up the reservoir. Move the water in the reservoir up the hill And over the top of the dam. To the reservoir behind the dam..

You never run out of water because you never run out of sun light or wind.

You can fill up the reservoir just as fast as it empties out. Because there is no limit to how many solar cells or wind mills you can build. To refill the reservoir behind the dam.
There is nothing in the rule book that says how many of them that you can build.

Build more Wind Mills than you need.

And if the sun doesn’t shine for a few day or the wind doesn’t blow for a few days.

There is a reservoir there to carry us through till it does.

A back up system.

The reservoir is the back up system..

Bottled Gravity? Sure.

Solar cell power, and wind mill power. Coupled with the ”reservoir effect” used with Hydro electric power plants.

Is the answer to our power needs.

Where ever water flows. Electricity Go.

And there is an unending supple of flowing water because gravity is ever where. Gravity is with out end.

There is a endless supply of electricity out there. All you have to do is go get it

It’s there for the taking. Free.

Simple. And it works.

[SharonAnn]

1. TVA Does this at Raccoon Mtn. Pumped Storage plant near Chattanooga

http://www.tva.gov/power/pdf/hydro.pdf

[amerikat]

2. I've read about this storage medium. Makes a lot of sense

using existing reservoirs. New reservoirs are hard to place where they don't
do a lot of damage to the environment.

[Larry L. Burks]

3. Just found a new link.

There is more than one.

They are multiplying.


Most of this was done before we found out about solar cells and wind mills.

An old time tested and known to work great technology. Done in a little different way would work.

Free Energy?

Sure. It could be done.

[Larry L. Burks]

5. Forgot to put the link

http://library.marist.edu/archives/mehp/scenicdecision.html

sorry

[Larry L. Burks]

4. I’m working ways to develop Free Energy technologies.

www.ufoworkshop.0catch.com

Two of the technologies are known technologies.

The third one I’m not so sure about.

Larry L. Burks

[amerikat]

6. I may complain about $4 gas but

$4 gas will drive renewable energy forward. It's a hardship and a catalyst.

[Larry L. Burks]

7. I don’t thing you under stand what I’m saying.

Solar Cells and Wind Mills by their self will not work

Because you can’t store the energy that they produce.

Hydro Electric Power Plants by their self will not work.

Because after the water goes through the plant. It’s done for. You can’t reuse it.

But if you put.

Solar Cell Power, and Wind Mill Power. Coupled with the ”reservoir effect” used with Hydro electric power plants. Working together as a team.

It does.

Because if you use them in this way.

There is a way to store the energy they produce. And you also get to recycle the water. This way you don’t every run out of water. Or electricity.

This way you can form a never ending cycle of producing Green Clean Free Energy.

[Larry L. Burks]

8. The $6 a gallon Gas Thing.

What Fox News will tell you that it takes coal to produce electricity.

Well. Now we can recharge our electricity cars. With out burning coal.

This kind of electricity will be cheap.

May coast you 3 cents to fuel you car.

Or if you have a in house generator. It could be free.

[Larry L. Burks]

14. What $8 gas whould that be???

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2067716,00.html#ixzz1L9UIzsMC

Need I say more?

[Larry L. Burks]

16. A Big Hole in the Ground? Are you sure?

What did you think Obama was talking about when he said.

“The answer to American Energy needs is Green Energy Technology.....

Solar, Wind, and Hydro Electric Power Plants.”


http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2067716,00.html#ixzz1L9UIzsMC

Need I say more?

[Nederland]

9. This was first done in the 1890s

So the idea is not exactly new (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pumped-storage_hydroelectricity). The best example of using pumped storage for storing renewable energy is with Danish wind farms. Denmark sends its surplus wind electricity across the Baltic sea to the numerous hydroelectric dams in Scandinavia. The relationship is ideal.

Unfortunately, it is only possible in places where you happen to have the right geography. Pumped storage (of water at least) requires some sort of large elevation change that you can take advantage of--something many prime wind farm locations like the flat Midwest--simply do not have, at least close by. It also usually means flooding hundreds of thousands of acres of land--something that the owners of the land might not be too keen on.

I'd also shy away from calling this "free" energy. Reservoirs cost a fair amount of money to build, and while maintenance costs are low, they are not non-existent.

[Beartracks]

10. Pumpback has issues to be worked out, but it's a great way...

... to leverage the water resource.

Among environmentally friendly energy sources, hydropower *is* already in place and pretty darn green. :) And yes, pumpback is a way to re-use the water. Granted, the work required to put the water back uphill is mathematically related to the work the water did coming downhill... which is another way to say that it takes pretty much the same amount of energy to pump it all back as you would get when it flows downhill. Thus, economically, you want to use cheaper, nighttime energy to pump the water back into the reservoir so that you can sell the generated energy at daytime prices. Otherwise, *economically*, it would make more sense to just sell the nighttime energy at night. Hydro still has to make money for somebody; even Federal dams have to generate income so the Fed investment in the dams can be paid off.

Pumpback has some other issues that must be worked out, too. The main one I've heard of is the danger to fish getting caught in the pumps. Many hydropower lakes are also recreation areas (e.g. fishing), along with the downstream river, so fish mortality has to be minimized for pumpback to be used.

I really like the notion of calling it bottled gravity. :thumbsup:


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[txlibdem]

11. Save the fishes: it should be a "closed loop" pumped hydro system

You might be right that using "cheap" night time energy to pump water "uphill" to the upper reservoir then selling it only during peak hours could be profitable even without bringing solar or wind power. But just to be clear, the greatest benefit will come from using excess capacity in solar or wind to do the pumping, use the hydro in effect to store the solar and wind till it's needed later in the day.

The UK does this with its wind power, 2.4 GigaWatts that provide power for 5 hours, which includes 1.6 GigaWatts that provide power for 21 hours.

[Larry L. Burks]

15. There’s no stinking fishes around here.

It’s a man made hole. There are no fishes in man made holes.

Look here and see how things get done right.

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2067716,00.html#ixzz1L9UIzsMC

May be some one should call Japan up and tell them how to fix that problem they have with that nuclear thing.

And while your at it. Call Iran up and tell them the same thing.

May be you should call Obama up and tell him about this.

There is a 50 Million Dollar reword money$$$ for such things.

[muriel_volestrangler]

18. 19 million cubic feet, 2,300 feet up, for 10,000 people

Yes, it's a good principle, and, as several people have pointed out, it has been done in various cases for many years. Your Canary Islands example is actually a pretty extreme case - there aren't that many places with that much height difference and volume to put in the reservoirs. In practice, it will mean major engineering works and use of existing lakes and valleys, if you want to use it for a significant part of electricty production - you need that kind of volume.

[Larry L. Burks]

21. I like what you are saying.

It’s hard for me to but into words of what I see in the system.

Let’s just say that all you had was one wind mill.

This one wind mill produced all the electricity you could use in one day. Every thing is working out all right.

Then one day the wind stops blowing. You don’t have any electricity that day.

But. You are getting your wind for free. So. Who is counting. Right.

I like the part where it says “for free”

If wind is like money. You could say “You are getting your money for free.”

If electricity cost you money to buy. Then.

Wind is like money. Wind is money. See?

If you built two wind mills.

One is used as the pay as you go. Plan.

And the other you use to put in the wind bank. Storage. Used to fall back on in times of lean. When the wind stop blowing. Just like you do your money.

The high cost of energy is killing America.

The high cost of energy is used as a tool to suppress and control the people of America.

The high cost of energy is used to exploit the people.

Energy has a 3,000% mark up and more on it. They are robbing you blind.

They get there energy for free and then send you a $300 bill at the end of the every month.

They are using the high cost of energy to keep you poor. This way they can get more work out of you.

There is no such thing as a wind bank.

But if you convert the energy from the wind into the kinetic energy of gravity.

The kinetic energy from gravity can be stored for a very long time.

The kinetic energy of gravity?

Kinetic energy?

There are a lot of different themes and variation on the storing the kinetic energy of gravity.

Grand Father Clocks use the kinetic energy of counter weights to work. They run off gravity.

The stored kinetic energy of gravity..

In west Texas we have oil wells. Some of the holes that they drill in the ground go down three miles. That is close to 16,000 feet deep.

There is a lot of empty spaces where a man could drill a lot of holes.

And you can dill as many holes as you like.

Once you drill a hole. For some reason that is not clear to me. They last a very long time.

If you put a steel pipe down the hole to keep it open. May last for 100 years. Or more.

You could say that they are recyclable. You get to use the same old hole over and over again and again.

There are ways to win at this game of energy that we play.

And have fun while we are doing it.

What do you think? Clockwork Orange? One flew over the KooKoo’s nest? or Catch 22 ?

[Larry L. Burks]

22. Cut the cost of drilling holes.

They drill a lot of holes here in west Texas.

Over the past fifty years they have drilled a lot of dry hole. That is where they drill a hole and didn’t find any oil. They just cap the hole and move on.

They have drilled a lot of holes that have run dry. No more oil left in them. They cap the hole and move on.

The holes are all ready drilled. They could be bought for penny on the dollar.

Sooner or later all of those holes will run dry. We could start now to putting all of those 3 million holes in the ground to good use.

And if we don’t have enough holes. We have the drilling rigs. We could all ways drill more.

We have the wind. We have the wind mills and we have the holes. We have the drilling rigs There is nothing in the rule book that would keep us from doing this.

What do you think?

[muriel_volestrangler]

25. Drilled holes don't have much volume; you'd need caverns

And any cavern would also need to be watertight - or with any flow of groundwater in replacing anything that goes out. Creating underground caverns is expensive.

[Larry L. Burks]

28. You don’t use water in a hole.

You use a counter weight.

If you but a seal pipe in the hole to keep it open and the water out.

The counter weight could weigh as much as 40,000 pounds.

If you set the gear box up right. It might take a week to get to the bottom of the hole.

And you get to drill as many holes as you like.

Think of this. There are some very long hills. The same energy it takes a train to get to the top of a hill. Is the same energy that gained when it goes back down the hill.

Some trains weight as much as 500,000 tons. And you could lay down a lot of different track on some hills. We are talking about. lot of stored energy here. There is nothing in the rule book that states that you have to use water. To store gravity.

And there are a lot of other ways that you can store gravity than water.

The use of stored gravity is 99% efficient.

Hard to beat.

[Larry L. Burks]

29. Positive Displacement

Positive displacement is all most an 100% effective way of using water to store gravity. Stored gravity is all most a 100% effective way to store energy.

If you drilled two holes side by side. And put a pulley in between the two.

Put a counter weight in one hole and a long pipe in the other with a dump vale at the bottom the pipe.

If you used a wind mill to pump ground water in to the open pipe and filled it with water.

A positive displacement system. None of the weight of the water runs out of the pipe.

When filled with water. It would sink to the bottom of it’s hole. Raising the counter weight to the top of it’s hole.

When ever you wanted to recover the store gravity energy in the system.

Just open the valve in the bottom of the pipe filled with water. The water drains out. Back in to the ground water.

The counter weight goes back down to the bottom of it’s hole. And turns a electric generator as it does.

I could even put several of these systems that are this small in my back yard.

[Throckmorton]

19. Well, its green because the damage was done generations ago

The dams all flooded valleys, destroying the habitat in favor of an impoundment filled with water. The damage was for the most part done in out grandparents and great grandparents day. Try and build a Hoover or Grand Coulee Dam today, the court fight would last decades.

I like pumped storage, units run in condensing mode are available almost instantly to supply backup power. I also thing compressed air storage using disused mines show promise too.

[kestrel91316]

12. They were doing this in CO when I was in college. In the mid-1970's.

[Larry L. Burks]

13. Gravity has been around for a long time.

And the best part about gravity is.

It’s going to be around for a lot longer time to come.

Can’t be bought. Can’t be sold.

No one is going to pay you good money for gravity.

They have more than they need. More than they can use up in a life time.

And it’s this way with every one else.

There is so much gravity around now days. We are gravity poor.

If you just built a small one in your back yard. You could run your hose and your car off it.

And every body else’s house and car in town off it.

Farmer and ranchers have been using wind mills to pump water up out of the ground for a long time.

If a wind mill can pump water up out of the ground. 650 feet.


They can pump water up a hill to a storage tank. 650 feet.

650 Feet. That’s how deep the water level is on Hoover Dam

It produces the Electric Power to run Las Vegas, Phoenix, San Diego, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Salt Lake City, and all of the little towns in between.

I’m not saying that you should go out and build your self a Hoover Dam.

To have a in house generator. All you would need a big storage tank at the top of a 650 hill. And 1/4 plastic tube to the bottom of the hill. To your generator.

And a big storage tank at the bottom of the hill. And several old ranch stile wind mils to pump the water back up the hill to the storage tank.

Never pay another Electricity Bill

If every body did this.

The Power Co. Would go broke.

They say that if you hook up your system to the grid. The power co. has to send you a check at the end of the month$$$.

[NYC_SKP]

17. It's called "Pumped Hydro", and other things. Look up "Helms Pumped Storage".

Here in California, Helms is used just as you describe to store energy when demand is low by pumping it into a higher reservoir, then letting it flow to produce power during high demand periods.

You are on the right track, storage is a huge piece of the puzzle.

[Larry L. Burks]

24. You right.

It’s called the missing link in the energy department.

Now we have found it.

No more light bills.

No more gas bills.

Happy Days are Here Again.

[chillspike]

20. Forget gravity

Use a big magnet and trillions of tiny ferromagnetic spheres. Saves you the trouble digging giant holes in the earth.

[Larry L. Burks]

23. I’m working on the magnet thing right now.

Go to the bottom of the index page and read the last post.

www.ufoworkshop.0catch.com

Larry.

[chillspike]

26. you mean the link entitled

"Star Gate Log Book Up Date Jan, 2011"?

Okay, I read it. Couldn't follow it all but I like the bicycle idea for $10. Is it easy to build?

It would probably be easier for me to understand if you provided video of something similar in action.

I understand that magnets move and levitate each other but I'm not sure how that transfers into an energy source.

I mean I have my own ideas of how it could be done but how do you think it can be done?

[Larry L. Burks]

27. I like the bike ideal also.

2 billion Chines can’t all be wrong.

There are two forces that are “Stand a Lone Systems” in Nature. Gravity and magnets. By what I mean by “Stand a Lone Systems.” They don’t need a out side energy source to work. And they don’t run down with time. They both produce a force.

I’m going to try using the spores from mold The spores of fungi are space shielding.

I have found evidence that other men have used spores to effect gravity and make use of it. It’s in the bag.

That leaves magnets.

There might be two different was to use spores and effect the field energy of magnets in just such a way that you could use it to produce a useable force.

Magnetic Shielding and the mirror effect.

Here is a link

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4PRFA_enUS423US431&q=magnet+mortors+you+tube#hl=en&rlz=1T4PRFA_enUS423US431&sa=X&ei=O8PRTby5MYm4twfQ8pGiCg&ved=0CCgQBSgA&q=magnet+motors+youtube&spell=1&biw=1003&bih=504&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=9651d7334bd74320

Magnetic shielding motors links


http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4PRFA_enUS423US431&q=Magnet+shilding+motor++you+tube#hl=en&rlz=1T4PRFA_enUS423US431&sa=X&ei=AcTRTfTZFNC9tgfs-sykCg&ved=0CBoQBSgA&q=Magnetic+shielding+motor+youtube&spell=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=9651d7334bd74320

An experiment that I’m thinking about trying is I know that iron is effect by magnets. But is not shielding.

But a magnet will not effect cast iron. It has iron in it but a magnet will not stick to cast iron.

It may be shielding. I don’t know. One way to find out real quick is if you have two magnets, and you have an old cast iron frying pan in your house. The frying pan has thin walls.

If you place a magnet on one side and the other magnet on the other side of the walls of the pan.

If one magnet doesn’t have any effect on the other magnet. It is shielding. You could make all the things you see in the videos work.

You can harvest spores of mold by looking for mold on walls of buildings. That black stuff that grows there. If you take a wire brush and a dust pan and brushed off the spores in the dust pan.

If you can harves about a half a cup of them. If you paint a thin board. The put the spores on the wet paint so that they will stick to the board.

If you have formed a solid layer of space shielding spores. If you repeat the experiment as you did with the cast iron frying pan.

It may form a magnet shield.

A fast spinning disk of spores may effect gravity. The same way that fast spinning supperconductive disk does.

A tube with one end capped off and coated all over with spores may have an effect on gravity. It may have the same effect as a worm hole does on gravity.

Mirror effect links

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4PRFA_enUS423US431&q=Magnet+shilding+motor++you+tube#sclient=psy&hl=en&rlz=1T4PRFA_enUS423US431&source=hp&q=mirror+effect+magnetic+field&aq=0v&aqi=g-v1g-j1&aql=&oq=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=9651d7334bd74320


You might check this out. I have heard that when you place the mirror effect on a scale

When you place the magnet above this disk.

The weight of the magnet doesn’t show up on the scale.

The same effect you would happen if you were effecting gravity.

If spores are shielding to magnets. There might be a chance that they will also produce the mirror effect as well.

You can get a lot more force out of the mirror effect than you could get out of the shielding effect

Well now you know what I’m thinking about trying.


If we can get a bike to run off green energy.

We would all be ridding a bike.

[Nihil]

30. WTF? Seriously, WTF??

:wtf: