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Greyskye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 12:48 PM
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Chernobyl Still Poses 'Urgent' Threat on Anniversary
http://news.discovery.com/history/chernobyl-anniversary-nuclear-disaster.html


President Viktor Yanukovych Monday warned that Ukraine's Chernobyl nuclear plant remains an urgent threat due to lagging safety measures, on the 24th anniversary of the world's worst nuclear disaster.

The plant's fourth nuclear reactor still presents an active danger after work to replace an aging sarcophagus around the facility was delayed due to a shortage of funds last year, Yanukovych said according to a statement.

(...)

The atomic fallout from the 1986 accident at Chernobyl, when one of the reactors exploded, spread to neighboring European states, leaving some two million people still suffering from contamination, Yanukovych said.

"There are still more than two million people suffering from harmful effects of radiation exposure, of whom 498,000 are children," he said.

The death toll from the Chernobyl disaster is bitterly disputed, with a United Nations toll from 2005 setting it at just 4,000, but non-governmental groups suggesting the true toll could reach tens or even hundreds of thousands.

According to Ukrainian official figures, more than 25,000 people known as "liquidators" from then-Soviet Ukraine, Russia and Belarus have died since taking part in the bid to limit radioactive fallout after the catastrophe.

(...)



(Countdown to being told how ignorant I am in 3, 2, 1...)
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 12:55 PM
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1. The nuclear industry spammers will swarm to this
I'm wondering if Palin suffered effects from fall out from that event. What a mutant.
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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 12:57 PM
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2. chernobyl says more up the fuckupedness of the USSR than nuclear anything
this was a country that could do few things right and god knows cared exactly ZERO about the environment (take a look at the river volga), worker safety, etc.

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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 01:43 PM
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3. And meanwhile, in other news, my nation cares a lot. I mean,
Just look at our recent mine workers' safety issues, and the oil rig disasters and unlike the USSR, we are no where near total collapse brought about the stupidity of going to war in Afghanistan and being run into the ground by our Politboro, er make that Goldman Sachs.

Oh never mind. Nothing to see here. We can all go on back to printing up "Clean Coal For me" bumper stickers.
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 01:58 PM
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4. my forehead is flat
from finding brick walls like that to beat it against. Great rebuttal, thanks for the smile.
Will we ever learn from history?
:banghead:
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-10 12:49 AM
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6. Learn from History? That is a great idea, but
I am having a hard time just learning from the Current Day Sagas of Woe, with the jokes mostly being on Middle America.

Yesterday that smirk on Lloyd Blankfein's smug puss told me that he clearly remembers Martha Stewart going off to jail for her mis-conduct, Wall Street-wise, when she was goofed up on a matter that made her only some 16 thousand.

But he makes enough he can probably bribe his way out of any real troubles.
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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 02:21 PM
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5. And the levee failures in New Orleans caused by Army Corps of Engineers negligence
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/18/judge-hurricane-katrina-f_n_363218.html

Judge: Hurricane Katrina Flooding Was Caused By Army Corps Of Engineers' Negligence

11/18/09

<snip>

In his 156-page ruling, Duval said he was "utterly convinced" that the corps' failure to shore up the channel "doomed the channel to grow to two to three times its design width" and that "created a more forceful frontal wave attack on the levee" that protected St. Bernard and the Lower 9th Ward.

<snip>


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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-10 02:12 AM
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7. They're good at launching rockets.
Gotta give 'em that.
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 01:19 PM
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9. Chernobyl tells us how bad it can be...
Just as the BP spill is showing how wrong a "safe" oil recovery project can go, the lesson of Chernobyl is the scale of a nuclear disaster when they occur.

It is clear we don't use the same technology, but to say that eliminates the possibility of an event of similar scale is an absurd proposition on its face. Here is a test of what you are basing your overconfidence on:

Experts Are Often Wrong
That expert interpretations in the area of science and technology are often questionable, and that there is no positivist rule to guarantee their complete reliability, is illustrated by a recent study by hazard assessors in the Netherlands.

They used actual empirical frequencies obtained from a study done by Oak Ridge National Laboratories to calibrate some of the more testable subjective probabilities used in the famous Rasmussen Report, WASH-1400, probably one of the most famous and most extensive risk assessments ever accomplished.14

The Oak-Ridge frequencies were obtained as part of an evaluation of operating experience at nuclear installations.

These frequencies were of various types of mishaps involving reactor subsystems whose failure probabilities were calculated in WASH-1400.

The Oak-Ridge study used operating experience to determine the failure probability for seven such subsystems, and the Dutch researchers then compared these probabilities with the 90 percent confidence bounds for the same probabilities calculated in WASH-1400.

The subsystem failures included loss-of-coolant accidents, auxiliary feedwater-system failures, high-pressure injection failures, long-term core-cooling failures, and automatic depressurization-system failures for both pressurized and boiling water reactors.

Amazingly, all the values from operating experience fell outside the 90 percent confidence bands in the WASH-1400 study.

However, there is only a subjective probability of ten percent that the true value should fall outside these bands.


This means that, if the authors’ subjective probabilities were well calibrated, we should expect that approximately ten percent of the true values should lie outside their respective bands.

The fact that all the quantities fall outside them means that WASH-1400, the most famous and allegedly best risk assessment, is very poorly calibrated.

Moreover, the fact that five of the seven values fell above the upper confidence bound suggests that the WASH-1400 accident probabilities, subjective probabilities, are too low.

This means that, if the Oak-Ridge data are correct, then WASH-1400 exhibits a number of flaws, including an overconfidence bias.


This direct test of the process of risk assessment you are relying on shows that there is a very real and significant problem with the level of certainty that the nuclear industry asserts the assessments prove.

Kahneman and Tversky have uncovered other biases of experts. They corroborated the claim that, in the absence of an algorithm completely guaranteeing scientific rationality, experts do not necessarily or always make more correct judgments about the acceptability of technological risk than do laypersons.

Kahneman and Tversky showed that virtually everyone falls victim to a number of characteristic biases in the interpretation of statistical and probabilistic data. For example, people often follow an intuition called representativeness, according to which they believe samples to be very similar to one another and to the population from which they are drawn; they also erroneously believe that sampling is a self-correcting process.16

In subscribing to the representativeness bias, both experts and laypeople are insensitive: to the prior probability of outcomes; to sample size; to the inability to obtain a good prediction; to the inaccuracy of predictions based on redundant and correlated input variables; and to regression toward the mean. Nevertheless, training in elementary probability and statistics warns against all these errors.

Both risk assessors and statistics experts also typically fall victim to a bias called “availability,” assessing the frequency of a class, or the probability of an event, by the ease with which instances or occurrences can be brought to mind.

In subscribing to the availability bias, they forget that they are judging a class on the basis of the retrievability of the instances, and that imaginability is not a good criterion for probability.18

Most people also fall victim to the “anchoring” bias, making estimates on the basis of adjusting values of an initial variable.

In so doing, they forget:
that diverse initial starting points typically yield different results;
that insufficient adjustments can skew results;
and that probabilities of failures are typically underestimated in complex systems.

Although employing each of these biases (representativeness, availability, and anchoring) is both economical and often effective, any of them can lead to systematic and predictable errors.19

These systematic and predictive errors are important because technology and:
"... risk assessment must be based on complex theoretical analyses such as fault trees, rather than on direct experience. Hence, despite an appearance of objectivity, these analyses include a large component of judgment. Someone, relying on educated intuition, must determine the structure of the problem, the consequences to be considered, and the importance of the various branches of the fault tree."

In other words, the risk assessor must make a number of unavoidable, sometimes incorrect, epistemic value judgments.


Kahneman and Tversky warned that “the same type of systematic errors,” often found in the epistemic or methodological value judgments of laypersons, “can be found in the intuitive judgments of sophisticated scientists. Apparently, acquaintance with the theory of probability does not eliminate all erroneous intuitions concerning the laws of chance.”21 The researchers even found that psychologists themselves, who should know better, used their feelings of confidence in their understanding of cases as a basis for predicting behavior and diagnosing ailments, even though there was no correlation between their feelings of confidence and the correctness of the judgments.22

Such revelations about the prevalence and causes of expert error are not totally surprising since, after all, the experts have been wrong before. They were wrong when they said that irradiating enlarged tonsils was harmless. They were wrong when they said that x-raying feet, to determine shoe size, was harmless. They were wrong when they said that irradiating women’s breasts, to alleviate mastitis, was harmless. And they were wrong when they said that witnessing A-bomb tests at close range was harmless.23

For all these reasons it should not be surprising that psychometric analysts have found, more generally, that once experts go beyond the data and rely on value judgments, they tend to be as error-prone and overconfident as laypeople.

With respect to technological risk assessment, psychometric researchers have concluded that experts systematically overlook many “pathways to disaster.”

These include:
(l) failure to consider the way human error could cause technical systems to fail, as at Three Mile Island;

(2) overconfidence in current scientific knowledge, such as that causing the 1976 collapse of the Teton Dam; and

(3) failure to appreciate how technical systems, as a whole, function. For example, engineers were surprised when cargo- compartment decompression destroyed control systems in some airplanes.

Experts also typically overlook:

(4) slowness to detect chronic, cumulative effects, e.g., as in the case of acid rain;

(5) the failure to anticipate inadequate human responses to safety measures, e.g., failure of Chernobyl officials to evacuate immediately; and

(6) the inability to anticipate “common-mode” failures simultaneously afflicting systems that are designed to be independent. A simple fire at Brown’s Ferry, Alabama, for example, damaged all five emergency core cooling systems for the reactor.


Scientific Method, Anti-Foundationalism and Public Decisionmaking
Kristin Shrader-Frechette*


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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 12:50 PM
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8. kick
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Nederland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 02:26 PM
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10. Wow
...more than 25,000 people known as "liquidators" from then-Soviet Ukraine, Russia and Belarus have died since taking part in the bid to limit radioactive fallout after the catastrophe.

This is amazing. I can't imagine why, in a country where the average lifespan is slightly over 60, so many people have died over the last 24 years. I mean, at this rate they will all be dead in another 20 or 30 years...

:eyes:
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 03:25 PM
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11. Wow! That IS amazing...
I mean it is amazing that you actually expect people to BELIEVE that the epidemiologists are as stupid as you must assume DU readers to be. There is absolutely no point so low that you won't go...
There are 190 pages of supporting documentation to the abstract below. If you wish to dispute their findings, then go to the study, find their error and make your case.



Annals of the New York Academy of Sciences

Volume 1181 Issue Chernobyl

Consequences of the Catastrophe for People and the Environment, Pages 31 - 220

Chapter II. Consequences of the Chernobyl Catastrophe for Public Health


Alexey B. Nesterenko a , Vassily B. Nesterenko a ,† and Alexey V. Yablokov b
a
Institute of Radiation Safety (BELRAD), Minsk, Belarus b Russian Academy of Sciences, Moscow, Russia
Address for correspondence: Alexey V. Yablokov, Russian Academy of Sciences, Leninsky Prospect 33, Office 319, 119071 Moscow,
Russia. Voice: +7-495-952-80-19; fax: +7-495-952-80-19. Yablokov@ecopolicy.ru
†Deceased


ABSTRACT

Problems complicating a full assessment of the effects from Chernobyl included official secrecy and falsification of medical records by the USSR for the first 3.5 years after the catastrophe and the lack of reliable medical statistics in Ukraine, Belarus, and Russia. Official data concerning the thousands of cleanup workers (Chernobyl liquidators) who worked to control the emissions are especially difficult to reconstruct. Using criteria demanded by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), the World Health Organization (WHO), and the United Nations Scientific Committee on the Effects of Atomic Radiation (UNSCEAR) resulted in marked underestimates of the number of fatalities and the extent and degree of sickness among those exposed to radioactive fallout from Chernobyl.

Data on exposures were absent or grossly inadequate, while mounting indications of adverse effects became more and more apparent. Using objective information collected by scientists in the affected areas—comparisons of morbidity and mortality in territories characterized by identical physiography, demography, and economy, which differed only in the levels and spectra of radioactive contamination—revealed significant abnormalities associated with irradiation, unrelated to age or sex (e.g., stable chromosomal aberrations), as well as other genetic and nongenetic pathologies.

In all cases when comparing the territories heavily contaminated by Chernobyl's radionuclides with less contaminated areas that are characterized by a similar economy, demography, and environment, there is a marked increase in general morbidity in the former.

Increased numbers of sick and weak newborns were found in the heavily contaminated territories in Belarus, Ukraine, and European Russia.

Accelerated aging is one of the well-known consequences of exposure to ionizing radiation. This phenomenon is apparent to a greater or lesser degree in all of the populations contaminated by the Chernobyl radionuclides.

This section describes the spectrum and the scale of the nonmalignant diseases that have been found among exposed populations.

Adverse effects as a result of Chernobyl irradiation have been found in every group that has been studied.

Brain damage has been found in individuals directly exposed—liquidators and those living in the contaminated territories, as well as in their offspring.

Premature cataracts; tooth and mouth abnormalities; and blood, lymphatic, heart, lung, gastrointestinal, urologic, bone, and skin diseases afflict and impair people, young and old alike.

Endocrine dysfunction, particularly thyroid disease, is far more common than might be expected, with some 1,000 cases of thyroid dysfunction for every case of thyroid cancer, a marked increase after the catastrophe.

There are genetic damage and birth defects especially in children of liquidators and in children born in areas with high levels of radioisotope contamination.

Immunological abnormalities and increases in viral, bacterial, and parasitic diseases are rife among individuals in the heavily contaminated areas.

For more than 20 years, overall morbidity has remained high in those exposed to the irradiation released by Chernobyl.

One cannot give credence to the explanation that these numbers are due solely to socioeconomic factors.

The negative health consequences of the catastrophe are amply documented in this chapter and concern millions of people.


The most recent forecast by international agencies predicted there would be between 9,000 and 28,000 fatal cancers between 1986 and 2056, obviously underestimating the risk factors and the collective doses.

On the basis of I-131 and Cs-137 radioisotope doses to which populations were exposed and a comparison of cancer mortality in the heavily and the less contaminated territories and pre- and post-Chernobyl cancer levels, a more realistic figure is 212,000 to 245,000 deaths in Europe and 19,000 in the rest of the world.

High levels of Te-132, Ru-103, Ru-106, and Cs-134 persisted months after the Chernobyl catastrophe and the continuing radiation from Cs-137, Sr-90, Pu, and Am will generate new neoplasms for hundreds of years.

A detailed study reveals that 3.8–4.0% of all deaths in the contaminated territories of Ukraine and Russia from 1990 to 2004 were caused by the Chernobyl catastrophe.

The lack of evidence of increased mortality in other affected countries is not proof of the absence of effects from the radioactive fallout.

Since 1990, mortality among liquidators has exceeded the mortality rate in corresponding population groups.

From 112,000 to 125,000 liquidators died before 2005—that is, some 15% of the 830,000 members of the Chernobyl cleanup teams.

The calculations suggest that the Chernobyl catastrophe has already killed several hundred thousand human beings in a population of several hundred million that was unfortunate enough to live in territories affected by the fallout.

The number of Chernobyl victims will continue to grow over many future generations.


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Nederland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 03:42 PM
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12. Nice try
Given that the information you have linked to was first published in December of 2009, there are not any peer reviewed criticisms as of yet. I'm sure there will be soon though, given that every single other work that reached similar ridiculous conclusions were dismantled in short order. Time will tell.
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 03:59 PM
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13. "Dismantled in short order"? Hardly.
:crazy: :dunce:
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