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OKIsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 06:22 PM
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Climate changes are proven fact
http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2010/02/15/climate_changes_are_proven_fact/

Climate changes are proven fact

By Kerry Emanuel
February 15, 2010

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A few essential points are undisputed among climate scientists. First, the surface temperature of the Earth is roughly 60 F higher than it would otherwise be thanks to a few greenhouse gasses that collectively make up only about 3 percent of the mass of our atmosphere.

Second, the concentrations of the two most important long-lived greenhouse gases, carbon dioxide and methane, have been increasing since the dawn of the industrial era; carbon dioxide alone has increased by about 40 percent. These increases have been brought about by fossil fuel combustion and changes in land use.

Third, in the absence of any feedbacks except for temperature itself, doubling carbon dioxide would increase the global average surface temperature by about 1.8 F. And fourth, global temperatures have been rising for roughly the past century and have so far increased by about 1.4 F. The rate of rise of surface temperature is consistent with predictions of human-caused global warming that date back to the 19th century and is larger than any natural change we have been able to discern for at least the past 1,000 years.

Disputes within climate science concern the nature and magnitude of feedback processes involving clouds and water vapor, uncertainties about the rate at which the oceans take up heat and carbon dioxide, the effects of air pollution, and the nature and importance of climate change effects such as rising sea level, increasing acidity of the ocean, and the incidence of weather hazards such as floods, droughts, storms, and heat waves. These uncertainties are reflected in divergent predictions of climate change made by computer models. For example, current models predict that a doubling of carbon dioxide should result in global mean temperature increases of anywhere from 2.5 to 7.5 F.

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OneTenthofOnePercent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 06:29 PM
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1. The primary compnent in greenhouse heating of the earth is water vapor.
It outweighs all other componets combined (by alot).
CO2 and Methane are #2 & #3, respectively.
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OKIsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 06:33 PM
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2. True enough, but
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhouse_gas#Role_of_water_vapor
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Water vapor accounts for the largest percentage of the greenhouse effect, between 36% and 66% for water vapor alone, and between 66% and 85% when factoring in clouds.<8> However, the warming due to the greenhouse effect of cloud cover is, at least in part, mitigated by the change in the Earth's albedo. According to NASA, "The overall effect of all clouds together is that the Earth's surface is cooler than it would be if the atmosphere had no clouds." (cf. NASA Clouds and Radiation) Water vapor concentrations fluctuate regionally, but human activity does not significantly affect water vapor concentrations except at local scales, such as near irrigated fields. According to the Environmental Health Center of the National Safety Council, water vapor constitutes as much as 2% of the atmosphere.<31>

The Clausius-Clapeyron relation establishes that air can hold more water vapor per unit volume when it warms. This and other basic principles indicate that warming associated with increased concentrations of the other greenhouse gases also will increase the concentration of water vapor.

When a warming trend results in effects that induce further warming, the process is referred to as a "positive feedback"; this amplifies the original warming. When the warming trend results in effects that induce cooling, the process is referred to as a "negative feedback"; this reduces the original warming. Because water vapor is a greenhouse gas and because warm air can hold more water vapor than cooler air, the primary positive feedback involves water vapor. This positive feedback does not result in runaway global warming because it is offset by other processes that induce negative feedbacks, which stabilizes average global temperatures. The primary negative feedback is the effect of temperature on emission of infrared radiation: as the temperature of a body increases, the emitted radiation increases with the fourth power of its absolute temperature.<32>

Other important considerations involve water vapor being the only greenhouse gas whose concentration is highly variable in space and time in the atmosphere and the only one that also exists in both liquid and solid phases, frequently changing to and from each of the three phases or existing in mixes. Such considerations include clouds themselves, air and water vapor density interactions when they are the same or different temperatures, the absorption and release of kinetic energy as water evaporates and condenses to and from vapor, and behaviors related to vapor partial pressure. For example, the release of latent heat by rain in the ITCZ drives atmospheric circulation, clouds vary atmospheric albedo levels, and the oceans provide evaporative cooling that modulates the greenhouse effect down from estimated 67 °C surface temperature.<5><33>

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guardian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 09:00 PM
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3. the famous Wikipedia
that "peer reviewed" scientific publication. Let's see how does Wiki promote itself? Oh yes, "Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit." So it must be true. And what are the credentials of the person(s) that wrote the snippet that you cut and pasted?

Maybe you should hold yourself to the same standard that you hold those to with opposing viewpoints.
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AlecBGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 09:51 PM
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4. these are whats known as "citations"
si-TAY-shuns

#8 a b c "Water vapour: feedback or forcing?". RealClimate. 6 April 2005. Retrieved 2006-05-01.
#30 Evans, Kimberly Masters (2005). "The greenhouse effect and climate change". The environment: a revolution in attitudes. Detroit: Thomson Gale. ISBN 0-7876-9082-1.
#31 "Stefan-Boltzmann Law", Britannica Online
#32 NASA EO Cloud fact sheet
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OKIsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 09:51 PM
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5. You could of course follow the references from the Wikipedia article
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OKIsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 10:07 PM
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6. Looking elsewhere
Edited on Mon Feb-15-10 10:23 PM by OKIsItJustMe
https://publicaffairs.llnl.gov/news/news_releases/2009/NR-09-08-01.html

Climate models confirm more moisture in atmosphere attributed to humans

LIVERMORE, Calif. - When it comes to using climate models to assess the causes of the increased amount of moisture in the atmosphere, it doesn't much matter if one model is better than the other.

They all come to the same conclusion: Humans are warming the planet, and this warming is increasing the amount of water vapor in the atmosphere.

In new research appearing in the Aug. 10 online issue of the Proceedings of the U.S. National Academy of Sciences, Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory scientists and a group of international researchers found that model quality does not affect the ability to identify human effects on atmospheric water vapor.

“Climate model quality didn't make much of a difference,” said Benjamin Santer, lead author from LLNL's Program for Climate Modeling and Intercomparison. “Even with the computer models that performed relatively poorly, we could still identify a human effect on climate. It was a bit surprising. The physics that drive changes in water vapor are very simple and are reasonably well portrayed in all climate models, bad or good.”

The atmosphere's water vapor content has increased by about 0.4 kilograms per square meter per decade since 1988, and natural variability alone can't explain this moisture change, according to Santer. “The most plausible explanation is that it's due to human-caused increases in greenhouse gases,” he said.

More water vapor - which is itself a greenhouse gas - amplifies the warming effect of increased atmospheric levels of carbon dioxide.

Previous LLNL research had shown that human-induced warming of the planet has a pronounced effect on the atmosphere's total moisture content. In that study, the researchers had used 22 different computer models to identify a human “fingerprint” pattern in satellite measurements of water vapor changes. Each model contributed equally in the fingerprint analysis. “It was a true model democracy,” Santer said. “One model, one vote.”

But in the recent study, the scientists first took each model and tested it individually, calculating 70 different measures of model performance. These “metrics” provided insights into how well the models simulated today's average climate and its seasonal changes, as well as on the size and geographical patterns of climate variability.

This information was used to divide the original 22 models into various sets of “top ten” and “bottom ten” models. “When we tried to come up with a David Letterman type 'top ten' list of models,” Santer said, “we found that it's extremely difficult to do this in practice, because each model has its own individual strengths and weaknesses.”

Then the group repeated their fingerprint analysis, but now using only “top ten” or “bottom ten” models rather than the full 22 models. They did this more than 100 times, grading and ranking the models in many different ways. In every case, a water vapor fingerprint arising from human influences could be clearly identified in the satellite data.

“One criticism of our first study was that we were only able to find a human fingerprint because we included inferior models in our analysis,” said Karl Taylor, another LLNL co-author. “We've now shown that whether we use the best or the worst models, they don't have much impact on our ability to identify a human effect on water vapor.”

This new study links LLNL's “fingerprint” research with its long-standing work in assessing climate model quality. It tackles the general question of how to make best use of the information from a large collection of models, which often perform very differently in reproducing key aspects of present-day climate. This question is not only relevant for “fingerprint” studies of the causes of recent climate change. It is also important because different climate models show different levels of future warming. Scientists and policymakers are now asking whether we should use model quality information to weight these different model projections of future climate change.

“The issue of how we are going to deal with models of very different quality will probably become much more important in the next few years, when we look at the wide range of models that are going to be used in the Fifth Assessment Report of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change,” Santer said.

Other LLNL researchers include Karl Taylor, Peter Gleckler, Celine Bonfils, and Steve Klein. Other scientists contributing to the report include Tim Barnett and David Pierce from the Scripps Institution of Oceanography; Tom Wigley of the National Center for Atmospheric Research; Carl Mears and Frank Wentz of Remote Sensing Systems; Wolfgang Brüggemann of the Universität Hamburg; Nathan Gillett of the Canadian Centre for Climate Modelling and Analysis; Susan Solomon of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration; Peter Stott of the Hadley Centre; and Mike Wehner of Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory.

Founded in 1952, Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory is a national security laboratory, with a mission to ensure national security and apply science and technology to the important issues of our time. Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory is managed by Lawrence Livermore National Security, LLC for the U.S. Department of Energy's National Nuclear Security Administration.


http://www.pnas.org/content/106/35/14778.full
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OKIsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 10:33 PM
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7. Looking elsewhere again
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 01:31 AM
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8. Ah yes..."it must be true"...hardly! *snort* *chortle* And yet,
the entry is based on thoroughly peer-reviewed work from NASA, Texas A&M, and the University of Pennsylvania.

What do you bring to the table? Hmmmmmm? :shrug:
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beardown Donating Member (193 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 11:19 AM
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9. It's all on the link at the TOP of the posting.
There were 64 reference links on the page to where the information came from as well as dozens of other informational links are easily available for anyone with a serious interest in learning more about the science surrounding global warming.

I guess if the original posting link doesn't come from the UK's Daily Mail or FOX news it doesn't count with some anti-doomers or whatever it is the global warming deniers are calling themselves now.
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