Climate bill may fall by the wayside

[OKIsItJustMe]

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0809/25802.html

Climate bill may fall by the wayside

By LISA LERER | 8/5/09 4:34 AM EDT

With the fight over health care reform absorbing all the bandwidth on Capitol Hill, Democrats fear a major climate change bill may be left on the cutting-room floor this year.

A handful of key senators on climate change are almost guaranteed to be tied up well into the fall on health care. Democrats from the Midwest and the South are resistant to a cap-and-trade proposal. And few if any Republicans are jumping in to help push a global warming and energy initiative.

As a result, many Democrats fear the lack of political will and the congressional calendar will conspire to punt climate change into next year.

“The reality is is going to happen before cap and trade,” said House Agriculture Committee Chairman Rep. Collin Peterson, who’s been working with farm-state senators on the climate legislation. “Who knows if it will ever come out of the Senate?”

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[villager]

1. everyone will have slightly cheaper health insurance while the planet burns

...and the crops wither!

Yay, progressives!

[barley]

2. Burning planet?

Get with it.  The new term is "climate change"
because the evidence for the last 7 years shows a cooling
trend.  Do not use phrases like "burning."  The
facts are not supporting our previous argument so we must
change our rhetoric in order to get what we want.

[OKIsItJustMe]

3. Oy Gevault!

http://www.epa.gov/climatechange/basicinfo.html

Climate Change or Global Warming?

The term climate change is often used interchangeably with the term global warming, but according to the National Academy of Sciences, "the phrase 'climate change' is growing in preferred use to 'global warming' because it helps convey that there are changes in addition to rising temperatures."

Climate change refers to any significant change in measures of climate (such as temperature, precipitation, or wind) lasting for an extended period (decades or longer). Climate change may result from:

• natural factors, such as changes in the sun's intensity or slow changes in the Earth's orbit around the sun;
• natural processes within the climate system (e.g. changes in ocean circulation);
• human activities that change the atmosphere's composition (e.g. through burning fossil fuels) and the land surface (e.g. deforestation, reforestation, urbanization, desertification, etc.)

Global warming is an average increase in the temperature of the atmosphere near the Earth's surface and in the troposphere, which can contribute to changes in global climate patterns. Global warming can occur from a variety of causes, both natural and human induced. In common usage, "global warming" often refers to the warming that can occur as a result of increased emissions of greenhouse gases from human activities.

[villager]

4. "cooling trend," O withering Barley?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=115x204072

"The facts?" Well, glad you're so clearly in command of them!

[excess_3]

5. the states will do a better job

legislation from the states is likely

[OKIsItJustMe]

6. Some states may

You know, like the coastal states. (Some of them already have.)

However, a patchwork of disparate policies is not terribly helpful.

[excess_3]

7. you have to start somewhere

I don't necessarily see bigger as better,
as with big, you get more enemies
.....................
It would be helpful if there was a success story, somewhere.
If, for no other eason, to get an idea of the amount
of economic damage to expect.

Carbon 'cap and trade', has failed several times.
Including Phase One of the European ETS.
EU ETS Phase Two is in progress