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nicedream815 Donating Member (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 09:15 PM
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insight/opinions needed
im writing a piece for my school newspaper about this kyoto going into effect event coming up.
was wondering if anyone has any insight about the significance of this event that would get me thinking. i pretty much know everything about global warming up to date, but i want to talk about any possible meaning to this event, about the U.S. role in general, and the ideology behind why the U.S. isn't has never backed it...why certain countries adopt it and others don't, etc.. any debates/insight i can get here hopefully ill use in the article, but im experiencing writers block in the meantime :)
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 09:40 PM
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1. School newspaper, eh?
Tell 'em the reason why the US is not politically behind Kyoto is this: It will cost millions in profits from the old polluting industrial giants who can't see past the ends of their bankroll and see that less air pollution is better for everybody.

That instead of investing in science driven technologies that are available today to clean the emissions, those industrial giants are spending their money on lavish houses, republican campaigns, and in general, selfish conservatism.

That other countries realize that putting a limit on air pollution is the wisest pro-life action they can take, and that a clean environment is a priceless birthright to each every human living on the outside edge of this little blue ball spinning in the deep dark blackness of space.

That the US has been taken over by people who think the prophetic biblical end times are so near, that what they do today will have no consequence tomorrow because tomorrow may never come.

That the American people will never willingly give up the mass consumables, the SUV, and the energetic burning of a very limited, ancient source of liquid power, because if they don't do it someone else will, and America is always First!

Peace.
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nicedream815 Donating Member (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 11:04 PM
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3. thank you :)

i shall tell them.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 11:41 PM
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4. Be careful
They may hate you for telling the truth.

But if you really believe what I wrote, and you don't tell them, you may hate yourself even more, eh?
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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 10:04 PM
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2. Halliburton had no opportunity to profit from the Kyoto treaty and
Edited on Wed Feb-09-05 10:08 PM by NNadir
everything to lose from it. Everything else is just poetics.

To understand what the United States is today, and why it does what it does, all you need to know is about Mobutu.

We are living in a kleptocracy.
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AZCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 11:45 PM
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5. I can't wait until Bush changes his name to...
..."the all-powerful warrior who, because of his endurance and inflexible will to win, will go from conquest to conquest leaving fire in his wake."
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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 01:35 AM
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6. From what I hear, such descriptions and names are already available on Fox
News.
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happyslug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 07:30 AM
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7. Mention the source of Natural Gas Being the Former Soviet Union and Iran.
Given that fact, Europe which is connected to the Former Soviet Union by Natural Gas Pipelines, can replace its oil and coal with Russian or Iranian Gas.

The US natural Gas production has peaked and the US is Importing Natural Gas from Canada to make up the short fall. The US could import Natural Gas from Iran or Russia but that would require first compressing the Natural Gas to Liquefied Natural Gas (LNG) and than shipping the LNG to America via LNG tanker. The LNG tanker has to be heavily constructed to keep the LNG liquid. This increases the weight of the Tanker thus increasing costs of operating the tanker.

But the big cost in LNG in converting Natural Gas to LNG. This is done by Compression, i.e. you compress the gas till it turns liquid and than store that LNG in containers (or a tanker built as one huge strong Container). This Compression costs money. Basically you will use the energy equivalent of 1/3 of the Natural Gas Compress to Compress the Natural Gas. Another way to look at this figure is to see that to get a one gallon container of LNG, you will use 1 1/3 Gallons of Natural Gas (One Gallon in the Container, 1/3 gallon to run the compressors that compresses the One Gallon).

Thus if the US adopted Natural Gas (like Europe Has) the Costs to the US for Natural Gas will be 1/3 more than the same gas if it went to Europe. Europe would have an economic advantage over the US. Thus the US wants to use Coal to replace oil, for the US has more Coal than it has Natural Gas.

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One_Life_To_Give Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 04:58 PM
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8. King of the One World Order
Not that Kyoto doesn't have it's flaws. But much of this political debate is about global dominance. Who will lead the One World Order. For the US signing onto Kyoto would be a endorsement for European dominance of the One World Order.
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