Home based hydrogen production

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What are the drawbacks here?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7496331.stm

http://automobiles.honda.com/fcx-clarity/home-energy-station.aspx


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1. drawbacks to home based hydrogen production

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2. Ummm no, wasn't the hydrogen that caused this tragedy.....

http://www.hydrogenus.com/advocate/ad22zepp.htm


But retired NASA engineer and long-time hydrogen advocate Addison Bain, who has been conducting extensive research on the incident, concludes that hydrogen played no part in starting the Hindenburg fire. To learn what really happened 60 years ago, Bain used NASA’s latest investigative techniques to analyze original wreckage from the Hindenburg; conducted interviews with the few remaining survivors and those who have detailed knowledge of the Hindenburg’s construction; examined original film footage and other documentary evidence; and visited the airship’s former mooring sites in Lakehurst and Akron, Ohio, U.S.A. The dramatic findings of his research were reported at the National Hydrogen Association’s 8th Annual U.S. Hydrogen Meeting and are the subject of the cover story of the May 1997 issue of the Smithsonian Institution’s Air and Space magazine, published in observance of the incident’s 60th anniversary. (Bain also plans to publish a complete manuscript with all data as well as two books for the general public and young adults.)

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5. Oh Pleez

It was a joke, coolio.

Simmer down.

[notesdev]

3. Try methane instead

all you need to get started is a big can of beans

[Speck Tater]

4. My late brother-in-law tried to make hydrogen at home.

What was left of the kitchen was not a pretty sight.

[kristopher]

6. There are a number of reasons H is not being adopted

Battery electric is proving to be the best option for our personal transportation needs because:
1) the difference in overall efficiency between H and batteries means that for our light transportation sector we'd need to build nearly twice as much renewable energy generation with H than with batteries.

2) the electric grid is already in place. H would require a lot more infrastructure.

3) H is difficult to store and compress.

4) Fuel cells cost a lot of money compared to batteries.

This is a debate that has been going on for quite some time, but if we judge by what the manufacturers are bringing to market and where government money for deployment is being spent, batteries have won. Lithium ion and V2G technology were the clinchers.

[NNadir]

10. Well, solar energy cost a lot compared to clean energy and that doesn't stop

the uneducated from coming here to hype it.

Other examples of doublespeak

The electric battery is NOT proving the best option for transport since there are more than 500 cars on this planet, and not even 100,000 of them are electric, if that many.

Zero electric cars are actually fueled by the failed "renewable energy industry" unless of course, one includes the ethanol shell game that's driving lots of companies into bankruptcy.

Finally, batteries cost a lot to store energy, and their external costs are tremendous, althought there is NOT ONE fundie anti-nuke on this planet who gives a rat's ass about the lead levels in third world children, particularly in Asia.

If you don't know what you're talking about, just don't make stuff up: Become delusional.

[wuvuj]

7. I built a hydrogen...

...booster (electrolysis of water) and tested it in 2 vehicles. With one I managed maybe a 10% gain in mpg...in the other with a larger 4 cylinder...no mpg gain. This was not an advanced design...many boosters put out a good bit more HHO and are more efficient.

As far as storing hydrogen as a compressed gas...pretty difficult and expensive?

[madokie]

8. You've actually done this?

You would be the first that I've read about, who wasn't trying to sell me something, that actually says they built one of these and it gave them an increase in mileage. The part that bothers me is the statement of 'With one I managed maybe a 10% gain in mpg', maybe being the operative word here. Either you did or you didn't and if you did then you would know for sure, would you not, what gives?

[wuvuj]

9. I test a lot of mpg...

...boosting techniques as a hobby. Also managed maybe an 8-10% gain from heating fuel 25-35F. 10% from using a fuel additive...isopropyl. Same vehicle. There are quite a few forums dedicated to the subject...yahoo and others.

As far as "maybe"...I use tank to tank refills to calculate mpg...driving variations and so forth cause the "maybe".

Here's a link to start...

http://peswiki.com/energy/Directory:Fuel_Efficiency