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riverdeep (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-21-08 01:05 PM Original message |
Poll question: Quick poll-how many here believe Jevons paradox is valid? |
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riverdeep (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-21-08 01:18 PM Response to Original message |
1. Oh, feel free to say why and any backup example. n/t |
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Idealism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-21-08 01:19 PM Response to Original message |
2. In the short-term perhaps |
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ElboRuum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-21-08 01:27 PM Response to Original message |
3. The problem with it is that it's not really a paradox. |
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riverdeep (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-21-08 01:57 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. I think the paradox was in the context that Jevon was talking about. |
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ElboRuum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-21-08 03:02 PM Response to Reply #5 |
15. Well, I think we must assume elastic demand... |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-21-08 05:50 PM Response to Reply #3 |
18. If everyone had the same access to resources, same distribution, etc, it *would* be a paradox. |
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The2ndWheel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-21-08 01:55 PM Response to Original message |
4. Look at all the products that are made of oil |
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bananas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-21-08 02:00 PM Response to Original message |
6. Both answers are true |
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riverdeep (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-21-08 02:06 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. Maybe my wording is off, but I tend to see it used as a sharp stick |
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bananas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-21-08 02:13 PM Response to Reply #8 |
12. In that case, I'll vote "No". |
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riverdeep (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-21-08 02:22 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. I think you mean 'yes' actually, |
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bananas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-21-08 02:28 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. Too late! I already voted no! |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-21-08 02:02 PM Response to Original message |
7. It's also called the "rebound effect" |
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riverdeep (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-21-08 02:08 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. So, that's another both yes and no? |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-21-08 02:11 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. See my response below. n/t |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-21-08 02:10 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. Here's a variation that is easier to comprehend |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-21-08 05:10 PM Response to Original message |
16. Counterintuitive but quite valid |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-21-08 05:48 PM Response to Original message |
17. This assumes equal resource distribution, it's not true when varying societies have different... |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 06:55 AM Response to Reply #17 |
19. I don't understand your argument |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-24-08 02:42 AM Response to Reply #19 |
21. It was late when I wrote that. |
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Terry in Austin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 05:26 PM Response to Original message |
20. Efficiency vs. conservation |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-24-08 02:46 AM Response to Reply #20 |
22. In other words "conservation" means efficiency benefits shouldn't be shared? |
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