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llmart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-08 07:27 PM
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Question on the Toyota Prius
Does anyone here know how often the batteries in a Prius last? Or how many there are? Or what it costs to replace them? I guess I could search on the Internet but I trust DU'ers to give me the straight scoop. Someone is always arguing with me about how expensive the Prius is and how much it costs to replace all those batteries. I don't know enough about them to argue intelligently.
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-08 07:29 PM
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1. do a simple search in this forum (not the Google one)
there was a good thread a few months back on those questions
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Schema Thing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-08 07:29 PM
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2. Not sure, but they are warrantied for 100K, I believe.
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NewEngland4Obama Donating Member (328 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-08 07:33 PM
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3. Here you go....
http://blogs.edmunds.com/greencaradvisor/2008/09/toyota-lowers-price-on-prius-replacement-batteries-says-business-slow---for-now.html
From time to time questions arise about hybrid batteries: How much does it cost to replace them; how long do they last?

Well, we got some answers.

Toyota Motor Corp., whose Prius hybrid, in one form or another, has been on the road in the U.S. since the end of 1999, said Tuesday that it has lowered the replacement price of battery packs for its first generation Prius by almost 30 percent and for the present generation (2004-now) Prius by a bit more than 10 percent.

In dollars (which are sinking faster than the Titanic) that's a new price of $2,299 for a battery pack for the first generation cars and $2,588 for the present generation batteries.

Previously, Toyota would have charged $2,985 for a Prius battery replacement for either generation.

The carmaker isn't doing much business in replacement batteries though - with some 500,000 Priuses now on the road in this country fewer than 300 battery packs have been replaced, and many of those were batteries damaged in accidents.

Most also were replaced under warranty, says Toyota environmental spokesman John Hanson.

The upshot is that Toyota still doesn't really know how long the Prius' nickel-metal hydride batteries will last, but figures they've got a lot of life in them .



"There are a lot of cars out there with 200,000 miles on them and they are still going strong," he told Green Car Advisor.

One thing the carmaker does know, though, is that a lot of Prius owners are determined to keep their cars for a long, long time.

With that in mind, and with the inevitability of battery packs for ageing Priuses finally wearing out someday (mostly, they'll just lose their capacity to hold a really good change), Hanson said Toyota also is now studying the feasibility of setting up a U.S. factory to remanufacture Prius batteries.

That would make the replacement cost - now about the same as replacing an internal combustion engine that has seen its last days - even less expensive.

Toyota can do that because it has kept its battery development and manufacturing in-house. It owns a controlling 60 percent stake in Panasonic EV Energy Co., a joint venture with Matsushita Electric.

It's a little off topic, but just to refresh those of you who care a lot about battery development, Toyota said earlier this year that it plans to build a second NiMH (always reminded me of one of my daughter's favorite kid's movies - the Secret of NiMH) battery factory in Japan to increase production to meet global demand - yes, Virginia, Toyota sells its batteries to other carmakers.

The company figures it will be making a million nickel-metal hydride batteries a year by 2010.

Panasonic EV also is building a facility to manufacture the new advanced lithium-ion batteries that are essential to plug-in hybrids and to the all-electric vehicles many figure will be on the market sometime after the turn of the decade.

Toyota will begin leasing small numbers of lithium-ion powered plug-ins to fleet customers in late 2009.

Figure at least a year before the company's gathered sufficient data from the fleets to move to the next step - retail sales of the cars.

John O'Dell, Senior Editor

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ramapo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-08 07:35 PM
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4. Don't worry about the batteries
My new Prius has 800 miles on it. I love it. It is a lot of fun to drive and what a thrill it is when you're moving along on green power. My friend has a 2002 model with more than 210K miles. No issues what so ever. I have not found a case in which the batteries needed to be replaced.

The Prius is a bit more expensive than other cars in its class. No bargaining. You'll pay MSRP but should not pay a penny over. You'll probably use about half the gas (regular too) and maintenance is minimal (a big plus for somebody leaving a Volvo)than you're use to. Sure you can get a less expensive car that gets good mileage but you won't be driving on battery power.

I'm getting 48-49MPG for mixed driving in a hilly environment. This is low-end except for maybe a bit less in the winter.
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llmart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-08 07:47 PM
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5. Wow!
Thank you all for the quick replies. I'll google the thread also.
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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-08 08:44 PM
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6. It depends what state you live in.
Seriously - different states have different requirements on car manufacturers regarding warranties.
There's a lot of good information here: http://priuschat.com/

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Tommy_J Donating Member (668 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-08 11:49 PM
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7. Batteries will not need replacement
The Prius is an extremely dependable low maintenance car. With 50K miles on mine there have been zero issues. It has exceeded all expectations. For example, the brake pads still look like a new car's thanks to the regen.

Try Priuschat.com for all the info you could want
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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 07:18 PM
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8. I love my Prius
My brother (plugged into the rightwing of the rightwing) was going around saying how expensive they were - like $36,000 minimum.

Mine was $25,000 including delivery, etc. New 2009.

I get 54-58 mpg. I probably wouldn't have gotten it but that I have no choice but to commute for the next 3 years.
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happyslug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 10:37 PM
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9. Discussed on DU a few months ago
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=115&topic_id=157623&mesg_id=157759

There are other sites on DU about the Prius and its batteries, but this is the only one I remember dealing with the batteries dieing.
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-08 06:16 AM
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10. We bought a new '08 last Nov. for about $21,500.
It's the low end model.
No cruise.
Dealer installed 'factory' type cruise for $300.
We've been on two 3000 mile road trips and we're very happy with our Prius.
I'm 6'3", 235 lbs., and find it comfortable.
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