WE ARE DESTROYING THIS PLANET!!!

[Subdivisions]

I've had it! Humans suck. This is UNACCEPTABLE! GET THE HELL OUT OF YOUR FUCKING SUVs AND PUT YOUR FAT ASSES ON A BICYCLE!

The US Government has now listed the polar bear as an ENDAGERED SPECIES!!!

http://news.google.com/news?q=polar+bear

http://www.cnn.com/video/

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=115x148476

I'm x-posting this here from GD. I'm so angry I can't compose anything more coherant. Could one of you please use your knowledge of these issues and write a comprehensive post on this. PLEASE? I'd do it but I'm just too crushed.

[The2ndWheel]

1. SUV's aren't the problem

We have to decrease our ability to extract and harness energy from the environment. The more energy we use, the larger our impact. With oil, coal, etc, it's carbon. With solar, wind, etc, it will be something else. We don't get to escape physical reality.

Decreasing our ability to extract and harness energy will be tough to do, especially since the majority of the 6.5+ billion people are only here because we've increased our ability to extract and harness more energy from the enviroment.

[silverweb]

2. Actually, the planet will be just fine.

What we're destroying is the Earth's inhabitability for ourselves and most other species of life.

Once the human species is extinct or minimized, the Earth will spend a little time -- maybe 100,000 years or so -- healing herself. She'll be just fine. We'll still be either gone or "defanged."

[latebloomer]

24. in the immortal words of George Carlin

"Save The Planet? The planet isn't going anywhere. We are. We're going away, pack your shit folks. We won't leave much of a trace either...Maybe a little Styrofoam. The planet will be here, we'll be long gone, just another failed mutation...The planet will shake us off like a bad case of fleas, a surface nuisance."

[silverweb]

26. Exactly right.

I love Carlin and love your sig line! :hi:

While we can state these things cleverly and even humorously, the tragic reality is that we are responsible for engineering the near-certain demise of a vast multitude of earthly life forms, our own included.

And there's nothing funny about that.

[stuntcat]

3. I got no info to share..

just a belief- I WISH THE EARTH WOULD GRIND US ALL UP, THE SOONER THE BETTER, AND START TO GET OVER WHAT WE'RE DOING.

The 6th mass extinction is my last straw. I'm ashamed of my species and I think 1st-worlders who make babies should be sterilized and imprisoned.

[One_Life_To_Give]

4. Does the Locust think similar thoughts?

Consuming, multiplying it's what life does.

[XemaSab]

5. It's not endangered, it's threatened

:P

[mac2]

6. That's the right word...threatened.

[Name removed]

7. Deleted message

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[GliderGuider]

8. Well, one thing is clear...

If you dressed in a clue skin, smeared your body with clue musk, stood in a field full of horny clues during clue mating season, and did the clue mating dance while singing the clue mating call -- you still wouldn't have a clue.

But you're not a Tool of Big Oil. That's my job.

[markva]

9. typical response

Thats pretty much what I expected- not a honest discussion but the usual "attack the messenger" type thing. Please tell me which of my points is false and attempt to prove so. I have plenty more facts to back up my argument, I mean PLENTY. Once again, please explain to why I am wrong, I am always open to debate unlike you.

[GliderGuider]

10. Hang out and chat until you have more than a handful of posts to your credit.

Prove yourself to be someone worth talking to, and people will gladly talk to you. But busting in spouting the usual denialist talking points and setting yourself up as a victim isn't going to earn you much more than a tombstone.

Read http://www.realclimate.org -- real scientists writing real information about real climate in the real world.

[markva]

12. response

Theres no reason why you and I can't talk is there. I just can't understand why people can ignore all the evidence to the contrary and believe all this hype. I can only guess that you don't have any evidence that I am wrong since you did't attempt to disprove anything I said. I can certainly give you sites that support my view as well. Will get them to you when time allows.
In the meanwhile ask yourself-
1> why is Mars warming up, when there is no human activity there
2> How were Vikings able to farm Greenland??? Did they warm the globe with their SUVs in order to do so???
3> Why dosent Al Gore ever mention sunspot activity in his movie as if the sun is a steady source of energy? That is to say it never has peaks and valleys of energy sent to earth.
4> if humans are to blame for all this "climate change" today then exactly why did the earth have all of these ice ages and so forth in its history??
5> Why haven't the Kennedys (specifically RFK jr) sold there waterfront property if they really believe the sea is going to cover them 10 years from now??
6> Why dosen't Al Gore et al live a modest lifestyle like most people and sell their giant homes, cease traveling by private jets etc, stop traveling altogether for that matter if they REALLY believe all this????
7> Why are all these predictions prefaced with "in 10 years...." and it NEVER happens. Then another "in 10 years......". I'll give you plenty of examples if you wish.
You should be tired of being lied to, I know I am.

[Greyskye]

19. Wow, are you ever in the wrong place!

I'm not surprised that you're tired of being lied to if you believe all the crap you just posted. :eyes:

[stuntcat]

11. it's all Mr Gore's fraud

you're right.
All those countries and groups of scientists who understand what pumping tons of trash daily into the air means are just nuts.
Your denial fringe is the last hold on the truth ;) keep on saying the same things over and over, it's better all the time.

[markva]

13. sea level

In a way I wish more people would believe this in that I could certainly buy some prime oceanfront property. If serious, clear thinking people believed this then it should have already started. That is a drastic drop in the price of waterfront property. Since you seem to believe all of this I urge you to determine the sea level elevation of your home and take appropriate action as the market will soon collapse for all <10' MLW property. I guess Manhattan should be evacuated soon. Good luck to you.
A group of real climate scientists not all of which rely on Govt welfare grants:
www.oism.org/pproject
Read it if you are interested in the truth.

[stuntcat]

14. it's so simple isn't it..

yes simple, and mostly Al Gore's fault even though scientists were warning of the exact same things 30 years ago.

This is what the rest of the scientists know, those who haven't signed onto your site-
http://climlead.uoregon.edu/publicationspress/Q&A%20for%20Climate%20Skeptics.pdf

[markva]

15. global cooling

You are wrong about that, 30 years ago "scientists" were warning of the coming ice age. Haven't you seen the famous Time and newsweek covers from the 70s??? One hell of a short ice age that turned out to be. Somehow we should now believe when the same groups basically says that we are all either going to die from flood or heatstroke. Why should you have faith in them now when the "ice age" never happened. I've listed a dozen different questions that no one has even bothered to refute which should be really easy to do since I am such a misguided person. I can't understand why anyone is so ready to believe that the world is going straight to hell and still can carry on with their lives. Theres been 200 odd views of my comments and I still haven't seen anyone even attempt to make me understand why I am wrong. Google those Time/Newsweek covers - see for yourself. BTW - exactly where have these hurricanes been that Gore promised us in his movie, the silence is deafening!!!!

[stuntcat]

16. I have AP articles from the 70's..

telling exactly what's happening now.. 30 years ago, scientists agreeing, not to the panic you use as your argument. The mass market magazines were no righter then that they are now and a much bigger deal is being made of ye old global cooling than it was then. I've seen your magazines and read your site btw.
Thanks for this reassurance of the hope I have. Say a lot more, take this as far as you can.

[TZ]

25. Yeah you know

We all know that science and climatology has not advanced ONE BIT in the last 30 years....As for the hurricanes. Hello can you say MYANMAR?

[markva]

17. terribly sorry

Dear Mr./Mrs moderator-
I am terribly sorry that I have forced you to delete my first response. I should have realized that straying from the party line would result in some hurt feelings and force you to stifle any real debate. Obviously you are interested in free speech only when everyone agrees with one another. I can understand why suggesting that maybe the world isn't coming to an end would just really make everyone uncomfortable. Somehow you all seem happy being miserable and waiting for doomsday. Unbelievable. Please come to VA, I'll take you to Starbucks on my bicycle to ease your frayed nerves. Best wishes.
Mark

[Greyskye]

22. Perhaps you haven't yet read the forum rules

Calling out the moderators is a no-no. Conduct your grievances through private messages.

[Wickerman]

23. Dear Mark

I'm sorry that when you registered on DU you failed to read the rules and/or missed the part about not calling other posters names. It's actually a very simple rule to follow and certainly one that we expect you to follow in your first response. Another rule that you agreed to abide by, believable or not, was that you would not call out the moderators.

We really have no opinion of your take on the global warming situation. We do, however, insist that you respond to other posters with at least the slightest amount of respect. That, in the case of the first means no name calling. We'll give you a pass on the calling out the mods as it's apparent you failed to read the rules on signup.

Here they are, for your reading pleasure and your requested comprehension.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/forums/rules.html
Hint - the detailed rules (available at link) are even more fun-packed and action-filled!11!!

Thanks,

Wickerman
DU Moderator

[markva]

18. Let me know when you can disprove any of my point n/t

[Greyskye]

20. Is National Geographic a govt welfare recipient as well?

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/05/060524-global-warming.html

They refute pretty much all of your right-wing spin.

[Greyskye]

21. "Petition Project" LMAO

http://www.newwest.net/index.php/topic/article/10245/C37/L37

Another Climate Change Scientist Tells Skeptics: Stop Misusing My Research
(...)
Writing in The New York Times Thursday in a piece titled "Cold, Hard Facts", Mr. Doran expressed dismay that skeptics have prolifically circulated the work of his team to suggest the Earth, overall, may actually be cooling rather than warming. While his study documented localized cooling in one region of the Antarctic Continent over four years from 1996-2000, he said the skeptics seized upon it and created a legend of doubt that has only grown in magnitude.

Indeed, Doran's work has been cited by right-wing thinktanks associated with the fossil-fuel industry, members of Congress, and others ranging from Ann Coulter to Michael Crichton to refute the thickening and already substantial body of evidence confirming that, overall, Earth is heating up.

"Our results have been misused as 'evidence' against global warming by Michael Crichton in his novel 'State of Fear' and by Ann Coulter in her latest book, 'Godless: The Church of Liberalism,'" Doran writes. "Search my name on the Web, and you will find pages of links to everything from climate discussion groups to Senate policy committee documents — all citing my 2002 study as reason to doubt that the earth is warming. One recent Web column even put words in my mouth. I have never said that 'the unexpected colder climate in Antarctica may possibly be signaling a lessening of the current global warming cycle.' I have never thought such a thing either."

In fact, Doran notes (capitalization used for emphasis): "The disappointing thing is that we are even debating the direction of climate change on this globally important continent. And it may not end until we have more weather stations on Antarctica and longer-term data that demonstrate a clear trend.

"IN THE MEANTIME, I WOULD LIKE TO REMOVE MY NAME FROM THE LIST OF SCIENTISTS WHO DISPUTE GLOBAL WARMING," he said. "I KNOW MY COAUTHORS WOULD AS WELL."

Good luck using this as your primary source. :rofl: