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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 07:50 PM
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Canadian Coast Guard Rams Farley Mowat
Edited on Sun Mar-30-08 07:51 PM by Barrett808
Canadian Coast Guard Rams Farley Mowat



Coast Guard ramming the Farley Mowat


The Canadian Coast Guard icebreaker CCGS Des Groseilliers twice rammed the Sea Shepherd Conservation Society ship Farley Mowat today.

The Coast Guard had ordered the Farley Mowat to not approach the area where seals are being slaughtered. When the Farley Mowat did not comply, the Coast Guard rammed the vessel near the port aft stern area. After the Farley Mowat stopped in the ice, the Coast Guard rammed the ship a second time in the same area of the ship causing damage to the plates in that area.

The Coast Guard has demonstrated extreme recklessness with this move. The crew of the Farley Mowat were engaged in documenting the slaughter of seals. They were not interfering with the hunt.

“I’m beginning to wonder if anyone on the bridge of the Groseilliers has a license to command a ship,” said Captain Alex Cornelissen. “The incompetence of the Coast Guard has already cost the lives of four sealers this week-end and now they are ramming ships in dangerous ice conditions. This is unbelievable. It’s like the Coast Guard has declared war on seal defenders and the sealers are collateral damage.”

The Farley Mowat will remain in the Gulf of St. Lawrence and will continue to document the atrocities on the ice. Already the crew have seen enough evidence to understand that the Canadian government’s pretense that the slaughter is humane has no basis in reality – in other words it’s a state sponsored lie.

“It appears that Canada is prepared to use violence to cover-up the truth of this slaughter,” said Captain Paul Watson. “Our duty is to resist their violence and continue to document the truth.”

http://seashepherd.org/news/media_080330_2.html





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MaryCeleste Donating Member (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 08:37 PM
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1. I would like to hear the Canadian Coast Guard side of the story
Watson's rep for hyperbole is well earned and well maintained
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Shoelace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 12:30 PM
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6. not likely to get the truth from the Canadian govt on this story
since they've been lying about how the observers are treated for years.
I've seen footage from the Int. Humane Society's website, that showed how the Canadian coast guard went after them and would have rammed their boat, nearly did in one instance last year. Had the boat been larger and less maneuverable, they would have been hit or grazed.
I've also seen pictures of hunters taking aim with guns, right at the photographer/observers.

This is a barbaric business and it's been estimated that about 40% of the injured seals get away only to die in those waters.
It's simply time to stop these hunts. Rich women can wear something else beside seal fur coats.

http://www.harpseals.org/index.html

http://blog.stopthesealhunt.com/

Raw video from March 28, 2008 seal hunt (graphic):
http://blog.stopthesealhunt.com/2008/03/ifaw-seal-hunt.html

Short videos from the US Humane Society about the hunt, the threats, etc:

http://video.hsus.org/?&fr_story=f5ffff9adc92b79442b18dd68c3922e9cb011d8f

What you can do to stop the seal hunt:

http://www.all-creatures.org/alert/alert-20080320.html
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asjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 08:49 PM
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2. I am delighted to learn that
there is a ship named after Farley Mowat. Great writer.
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1620rock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 09:40 PM
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3. Canada is going as nuts as the USA.
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GliderGuider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 08:13 AM
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4. The order probably came from the Minister's office.
Edited on Mon Mar-31-08 08:13 AM by GliderGuider
Loyola Hearn, Canada's Minister of Fisheries and Oceans, has taken a very hard line against SSCS and Paul Watson himself. Here's the press release that demonstrates this:

Government of Canada Stands Up For Sealers and the Rule of Law

March 27, 2008

The Honourable Loyola Hearn, Minister of Fisheries and Oceans, today issued the following statement:

I am gravely concerned with comments made by Paul Watson, leader of the extremist Sea Shepherd Society that he will disregard the Government of Canada's clear warning to stay outside of our waters and choose instead to threaten the safety and livelihood of Canadian sealers.

Mr. Watson's organization has been known to cause physical harm and damage to property. Their flagship vessel, the Farley Mowat, proudly bears the names of fishing vessels it claims to have sunk.

Sealers in Atlantic Canada, Quebec and in the North should know that our government is standing up for their safety and security and will not accept such indiscriminate disregard of the law and the safety of our citizens.

Our government works hard to ensure the Canadian seal hunt is conducted in a humane, safe and sustainable manner and it adds a tremendous amount of value to those individuals who pursue it as their employment during a time when economic opportunities are limited in many remote, coastal communities. We will not be bullied or blackmailed into forcing people who depend on the sealing industry out of their livelihood based on things that are simply baseless allegations. The Sea Shepherd Society is just another organization in a long list of those trying to bully the Canadian sealing industry.

In the days ahead we will be monitoring the situation very carefully, and taking every step to ensure the safety of our sealers.
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 11:41 AM
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5. You forgot the most important text from the end of Watson's "news" story:
"Sea Shepherd Conservation Society welcomes your support. To learn how to support our conservation work, please visit our donation page."
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GliderGuider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 12:45 PM
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7. Oh no! They take DONATIONS???
Well, that tears it then. I'd never support an organization that took donations...

Actually, your post served as a reminder that I had not donated to SSCS yet this year, so I just bopped on over and gave them $100. Thanks for the incentive.

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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 01:53 PM
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8. P. T. Barnum Never Did Say "There's a Sucker Born Every Minute"
By R. J. Brown
Editor-in-Chief

P. T. Barnum is most often associated with the circus sideshow and the display of freaks. While this is true, he is also the founding force behind one of America's most famous circuses: Barnum & Bailey Circus. Barnum is also affiliated with the famous quote "There's a sucker born every minute." History, unfortunately, has misdirected this quotation. Barnum never did say it. Actually, it was said by his competitor. Here's the incredible story.

From 1866 until 1868 Mr. George Hull, of Binghamton, New York studied archeology and paleontology. Over this period of time Hull contemplated how to pull off a hoax. It seems that many an evangelist at the time had been preaching that there were giants in the earth. In June of 1868 Hull traveled back to Fort Dodge, Iowa where there was a gypsum quarry he had recalled seeing two years earlier. Even then, he had noticed that the dark blue streaks running through the soft lime rock resembled human veins. Realizing this its appearance was tailor-made for his hoax and it was easy to carve, Hull hired a group of quarry workers to cut off a slab measuring twelve feet long, four feet wide and two feet thick.

In November, Hull had his gypsum wrapped in canvas and hoisted onto a wagon. Since the nearest railroad was forty miles away, it proved to be a long, difficult job. He then had the slab of gypsum shipped by rail to Chicago where he had hired a stone cutter named Edward Burghardt to carve a giant. Burghardt and his two assistants, were sworn to secrecy and agreed to work on the piece in a secluded barn during their off hours and Sundays. The instructions were to carve the giant as if it had died in great pain, and the final result was an eerie figure, slightly twisted in apparent agony, with his right hand clutching his stomach. All of the details were there; toenails, fingernails, nostrils, sex organs and so forth. Even a needlepoint mallet was used to add authentic-looking skin pores. When the carving was done, sulfuric acid and ink were used to make the figure look aged.

The giant finished, Hull then had the figure shipped by rail to the farm of William Newell, his cousin, located near the town of Cardiff, New York. In the dead of night, Hull, Newell and his oldest son buried the giant between the barn and house. They were instructed to say nothing about it and that Hull would let them know in about a year of what the next stage was.

Luckily, about six months later, on another farm near the Newell's, some million year-old fossil bones were dug up. Newspapers around the country reported the finding. Hull was filled with glee in reading the accounts.

True to his word, one year after burying the giant, Hull sent word to his cousin on October 15, 1869, to start the next stage of the hoax. Newell hired two laborers to dig a new well near his home. Newell directed them to the exact spot he wanted the well dug and went back into the house to wait -- anxiously. Sure enough, well into the day, the two laborers rushed up to the house to announce their discovery: a giant turned to stone! The laborers and both Newells carefully excavated the area surrounding the giant.

News of this amazing discovery spread throughout the valley and soon wagon loads of neighbors streamed into Newell's farm to see the giant. By mid-afternoon, Newell erected a tent around the "grave" and started charging 25 cent admission. Two days later, the Syracuse Journal (New York) printed an article about the discovery. Being greedy, Newell raised the price to 50 cents, and a stage coach company made four round trips a day from Syracuse to the Newell farm. Thousands came every day. Among the visitors were clergymen, college professors and distinguished scientists. Before long, the expert's opinions split into two theories; one side claimed it was a true fossilized human giant and the other side pronounced it an authentic ancient statue. No one asserted that it was a fake!

About ten days after the discovery, and about the time the Cardiff Giant, as the papers had named it, started receiving national attention, Hull sold two-thirds interest in the giant for $30,000 to a five-man syndicate in Syracuse, the head of which was a banker named David Hannum. The syndicate moved the giant to an exhibition hall in Syracuse and raised the admission price to a dollar a head. Unknown to them, P. T. Barnum sent an agent to see the giant and make an assessment. The particular Sunday the representative saw the giant, the crowds were abnormally large -- about 3,000 people. The agent wired the news back to Barnum and Barnum instructed him to make an offer of $50,000 to buy it. Hannum turned his offer down.

The Cardiff Giant was the most talked about exhibit in the nation. Barnum wanted the giant to display himself while the attraction was still a hot topic of the day. Rather than upping his offer, Barnum hired a crew of workers to carve a giant of his own. Within a short time, Barnum unveiled HIS giant and proclaimed that Hannum had sold Barnum the original giant and that Hannum was now displaying a fake! Thousands of people flocked to see Barnum's giant. Many newspapers carried the version that Barnum had given them; that is, Hannum's giant was a fake and Barnum's was authentic. It is at this point that Hannum -- NOT BARNUM -- was quoted as saying "There's a sucker born every minute." Hannum, still under the impression that HIS giant was authentic, was referring to the thousands of "fools" that paid money to see Barnum's fake and not his authentic one.

Hannum brought a lawsuit against Barnum for calling his giant a fake. When it came to trial, Hull stepped forward and confessed that the Cardiff Giant was a hoax and the entire story. The judge ruled that Barnum could not be sued for calling Hannum's giant a fake since it was a fake after all. Thereafter, Hannum's name was lost to history while Barnum was left with the misplaced stigma of being the one to say "There's a sucker born every minute."

http://www.historybuff.com/library/refbarnum.html
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 08:34 PM
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19. Question: What is the better use of 100 USD Whales or Hungry Children in 3rd World Nations?
Edited on Mon Mar-31-08 08:35 PM by Zachstar
What is the better donation? 100 for clean energy research such as Fusion or 100 so that a Ship Can defy the coast guard to get video images?

What is better? 100 for Whales or 100 for our future?
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GliderGuider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 10:55 PM
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22. Which is more endangered?
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 09:45 AM
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23. Only on DU or Freeperville can I read a more disgusting post than yours!
Shame on you!!


So because Whales and Seals are endangered screw over the starving people in places in africa, asia and even here in the USA?

Each and every child has a chance to become the next Einstein each and every child deserves a good education. Humanity deserves a chance to take back the environment with clean energy technology.

So this is the mindset of the donations that keep Sea Shepherd trolling the seas in my view? And keeps the donations away from more viable research? Screw the humans, save the animals?

What a POS movement in my view!! Where are their damn donations to clean energy? Why is their ship not completely powered by solar cells or sails? Why are they not sailing into ports and doing somthing about the humanitarian situation of various parts of earth?

This is getting beyond sick...
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GliderGuider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 09:53 AM
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24. Careful, you'll gve yourself an aneurysm
I also donate to the Stephen Lewis Foundation, in fact I donate 0.7% of my gross salary to them (look up the Millennium Development Goals to find out why I chose that number). I hope that makes you feel better.

However, I do see humanity as an equal partner in the web of life rather than one that is special, superior or in any way separate from it. I think that philosophy underpins a more ethical position regarding all life on the planet, though I know it enrages the "humans-first" contingent.
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 10:06 AM
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25. If we don't get control of the Climate it is going to be both humans and animals dying.
And even small funds have been known to have super large effects in 3rd world nations.

Rapid deployment of new cookers that are extremely simple yet effective at saving wood burning, Widespread use will mean less global warming as far less wood is burned to cook.

Small light systems based on LED technology allowing small communities of children to learn at night without having to start a fire. = Vastly improved education and reduction in global warming.

Advanced wind generation technology that could allow small communities in 3rd world nation power their homes without use of fossil fuels. The generators are extremely cheap to deploy.

In my view one does not need to worry about whales or seals. For the climate could collapse far before the numbers totally collapse. And their numbers will eventually collapse from climate change forcing people to overfish which vastly depletes their food supply.

One has to stop fiddle farting with side issues. You have to go to the source or other issues will destroy your goal.
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losthills Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 10:28 AM
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26. Please tell us how killing whales and seals
is going to save the starving children in Africa?

Your hatred of Sea Shepherd is causing you to make statements that are more and more ridiculous...
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 10:46 AM
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27. The spin machine is overheating did you forget to add in coolant again?
Edited on Tue Apr-01-08 10:49 AM by Zachstar
The wrong solution of course is to kill every single whale and seal and feed them to the children. Yet that is short term and does nothing to solve the problem. (This is a joke in case you aren't getting the point)

The right solution is for Sea Shepherd members to be arrested and tried, Their donations ended and hopefully redirected to better efforts such as food programs in Africa.

Like I said your Spin Machine is overheating and having MASSIVE problems. Its high time you got a new one. Or alteast maintain the one you got.
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 02:26 PM
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9. What is with ramming?
Edited on Mon Mar-31-08 02:36 PM by Zachstar
Ramming a ship that is obviously in my view a threat does nothing but fuels their cause. Common Canada THINK!!!

I am sure the coast guard has access to cannons. A few hits below the water line after a final warning and that vessel is damaged beyond reasonable repair from massive flooding or preferably sinking. Then the crew and members of that movement can finally be arrested and tired in a court.

I am sick of this vigilante movement in my view thinking they are above the law and above the rules. When a damn coast guard vessel tells you to stay away you STAY AWAY!!! In my view they are pirates and need to be sunk. Ramming does not equal sunk Canada!

Canada you are making a mockery by continuing to do stupid crap like ramming. Either sink those idiots or just go as you are doing nothing to stop them.
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losthills Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 02:55 PM
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10. More proof that "Zachstar" and "Kristopher"
are the same person....
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 03:36 PM
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12. Proof? More like Libel, Losthills!
Also you do realize that because that is an untrue stated fact I (Or anyone else you have slandered/libel) can have you served with a lawsuit?

Next time you decide to spew BS like that. Have a look at some lawbooks...

Besides if you will actually decide to read through the history of both users (Its a scary word called research) you will notice that my posts are completely unique and valid. Everyone has their own posting style.
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losthills Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 07:54 PM
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14. Fusion is the future!
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 08:17 PM
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16. Can't you do better than that?
But then again that requires some research which in my view you are almost completely unwilling to do.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 08:12 PM
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15. LOL.
It's only libel if the false statement was defamatory.

Since you've cracked some lawbooks, I assume you recognize the implication there... B-)
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 08:28 PM
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17. Lets put it simple. Stating an opinion as fact against a person could equal lawsuit.
The fact is I have but one account here. There is no Alter ego of Zachstar and stating anything otherwise as fact is against the law. As it has implications.

So the simple solution is to never do it again and be thankful I have decided not to file today. (I have gotten close many times as on another forum I was outright lied about with the intention of damage.)

However that is me and others may not be so easy on libel. Also note that because DU will be involved it is obviously not allowed.

Then again I guess that gets in the way with some people's fantasy world on various forums. I suppose libel is the new weapon against them evil wh@lers and hunt3rs?

In my view it is the attitude of people like Sea Shepherd and Bush against the rule of law that encourages this kind of crap. It needs to stop. Like Bush in my view it seems like some groups think violence is the answer and freak out when suddenly it is used against them for once.
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losthills Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 08:33 PM
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18. "Sea Shepherd and Bush???"
That sounds like something that "Kristopher" would say....
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 08:38 PM
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20. And I would agree with him.
Edited on Mon Mar-31-08 08:39 PM by Zachstar
An open defying of the law and maritime forces is just as wrong as Bush using his visions of power to enact unlawful policies in my view.

Both encourage others to ignore the law in my view as if Sea Shepherd can attack ships? Why not pirates in the med in their view?

It has to stop in my view. The Sea Shepherd ships known to engage in violence need to be sunk and the crews put on trial in my view. They can talk their heads off during the trial about their cause.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 09:11 PM
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21. "be thankful I have decided not to file today."
Putting together a pleading might be one way to learn about the elements of the tort.

/threadjack
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losthills Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 03:03 PM
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11. Stop the slaughter!
Boycott Canada:

http://spider-webs.net/phpPETITION/

Boycotts work. They stopped Apartheid. The seal hunt must end.
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 03:38 PM
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13. Question: Do you also call for China to be boycotted with this much spirit?
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 08:10 PM
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28. So now they deal (in my view) with Conspiracy junk?
Edited on Tue Apr-01-08 08:11 PM by Zachstar
And I quote http://seashepherd.org/news/media_080401_1.html

Yesterday the government grounded the Humane Society of the United States helicopter that was going to pick up the video.

“That was convenient,” said Sea Shepherd Communications officer Shannon Mann 35, from Calgary, Alberta who is on board the Farley Mowat.


What total crap. They are completely desperate for attention in my view so it seems they resort to conspiracy theory crap in my view

Then again I also blame Canada for allowing this group of in my view pirates in my view continue their madness. As long as Canada refuses to sink or drive away the "Farley Mowat" they deserve every ounce of bad press they will get.

Ram them over and over or give the hull below the water line shell after shell until they sink or leave, or arrest them.

This PR fiddle farting will never work against the masters of spin in my view Sea Shepherd.
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Nihil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 04:23 AM
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29. For someone who professes to be concerned about humans ...
... I find your comments not just ironic but decidedly sick:

> Ram them over and over or give the hull below the water line shell after
> shell until they sink or leave, or arrest them.

Now *that* is what I call a rabid right-wing over-reaction.
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 11:10 AM
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30. Sinking a ship does not equal death unless the crew choose to go down with the ship.
Blasting holes in the plates slowly floods the ship and overwhelms the pumps. certain hits can insure Sea Shepherd has no chance of repairing the damage and will be forced to abandon ship.

If the ship is needed for evidence then land a special forces team if the crew do not submit to arrest.
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Nihil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 05:14 PM
Response to Reply #30
31. Ah ... taken the meds now have we?
Suddenly the comments become much calmer and almost rational
(although I still suspect the disconnect between the "sinking a
ship does not equal death" and "sinking a ship is murderous piracy"
parts of your mind are not totally reconciled yet).

It's OK: I'm sure that most readers of your previous post will
be able to discern your true motives. Now just stay calm and keep
the happy smile in place for the nurse ...
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 07:10 PM
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32. Excuse me but do not assume I have any kind of condition.
Edited on Wed Apr-02-08 07:11 PM by Zachstar
And my mind is perfectly reconciled thank you.

Ok I'll make it nice and clear.

Sea Shepherd ships need to be seized or sunk and the crews arrested. Simple and effective.

Allowing them to continue their activities is wrong.
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