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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 04:16 PM
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Can Socialism Save the Planet?

CLIMATE CHANGE clearly shows capitalism's short-term, utterly irresponsible attitude towards the environment. Global warming is mainly caused by burning fossil fuels.

Already the world is getting warmer; sea level is rising; storms and flooding are increasing. Some of the first countries to welcome the new millennium, islands in the Pacific, will be under water by the end of this century.

Storm damage is increasing dramatically with growing loss of life and damage to homes and infrastructure. In 1998 natural disasters killed more than 50,000 people and destroyed $65 billion worth of property and infrastructure. Most of the victims are poor, but no country can escape.

In Canada, one of the world's most developed countries, the costs of weather-related disasters have increased ten times faster than the economy since the 1980s. In 1998 insured losses were $1.45 billion; in 1984 they were $39 million.

Despite many international conferences and overwhelming scientific evidence, most of big business and governments have made no significant change. Releases of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases need to be cut by 60% yet all that has been agreed is to reduce the rate of growth. Even these agreements aren't being met.

Wasteful system
ALL HUMAN activity depends on the environment. Food, air, water and all the goods we use originate from the material world around us, from the environment. As Marx wrote over a century ago: "Nature is just as much the source of use values as labour". (Critique of the Gotha Programme, 1875)

The modern economy takes resources from the environment and turns almost all of it into waste, either by-products of making commodities or as the end of the line for the goods themselves.

In natural systems and most pre-capitalist societies, resources and end-products are inter-linked. Matter circulates, being re-used time and time again. Plants use carbon dioxide for growth and give off oxygen as waste, animals use oxygen to live and give off carbon dioxide as waste.

All living things, at the end of their lives, provide food and resources for other living forms. There are no garbage dumps of unused and unusable matter in nature.

At present, the world's energy system is extremely wasteful, based on burning fossil fuels (coal, oil and gas) which took hundreds of millions of years to produce. At the present rate of waste, there are dangers that all accessible sources could have gone up in smoke in a few hundred years, leaving only pollution.

Fossil fuels are valuable raw materials for a host of products. There are plentiful alternative sources of energy which are constantly renewed, such as wind, water and sunlight. Many of the world's largest corporations depend on burning fossil fuels for profit, however, so these are neglected.

Many potentially renewable resources - clean air and water, vegetation (crops and forests), soil and fish stocks are being damaged and used up faster than they can renew themselves.

Most "waste" - metals, plastics, paper, vegetable matter and building materials - could be re-used and should be viewed as raw materials for future processes.

Some wastes - heavy metals, pesticides, nuclear materials, some plastics etc, - are extremely hard to re-use safely or even dispose of. At present almost all these materials are dumped back into the environment - land water and air - in the hope that they sort themselves out over time.

This huge waste of potential resources damages the environment and people's lives enormously. Instead most "waste" should be re-used or recycled. The production of harmful or hard-to-recycle materials should be drastically curtailed or stopped.

Profit rules
ECONOMISTS AND business try to exclude the impacts of extraction of resources and waste disposal from their concern. Capitalism tries to avoid responsibility for the damage it does to the environment. It pushes the costs onto others, now and into the future.

If it had to pay the full costs of its actions, profits would be hit drastically, so capitalism des-cribes these cost as 'external'.

Big business's view, that the environment is outside and apart from human activity, is utterly false. But some environmentalists also hold this outlook.

All life is affected by, and has an effect on, its environment. The environment is a product of life. But concentrating on saving the 'environment', by setting aside areas of land for preservation doesn't tackle the main issues.

Of course areas of land should be maintained as parks, areas of beauty and importance to different plant and animal species. However environmental processes don't stop at the boundaries of parks.

Arctic polar bears and Antarctic penguins have modern chemical poisons in their bodies although they live thousands of miles from the sources. The solutions to environmental problems can be found in the ordinary processes of life, how goods are produced and how people live their lives.

In recent years some sections of business have reduced some of their negative impacts on the environment by making their use of energy and raw materials more efficient and reducing the amount of waste they produce.

These changes are mainly driven by profit though in some cases laws have been introduced due to pressure from below.

The average car is more energy-efficient and cleaner than 20 years ago, but the total damage caused by cars has increased as there are now so many more. Despite improved efficiency, car pollution causes 24,000 premature deaths a year in Britain.

Cleaner engines fail to solve many problems caused by cars. Cars cause congestion, dominate cities' public spaces, break up communities and encourage urban sprawl. Car-based transport consumes large areas of land and huge amounts of resources.

Of course technical improvements are welcome. Already it's possible to produce the same number of goods with a quarter of present levels of energy and materials.

The barrier is not technology; but capitalism, which depends for its survival on an ever-increasing volume of production, using more and more resources and producing more and more waste. To boost its markets, capitalism spends $1,000 billion a year on marketing.

Many products are designed to last only a few years. Capitalism constantly seeks to produce more, not mainly to satisfy human needs but to increase profits. The same motive which makes capitalist car manufacturers world-wide threaten their workforce with the sack also pollutes and kills millions.

Class issue
IN THE past, the working class were to the front in many struggles to improve the environment, such as clean water and air, and to create parks in Britain. In most of the Third World, environmental struggles are closely linked to the struggle for better living conditions.

However in the industrialised countries many prominent environmental issues were around preservation of wilderness, countryside and individual species. This approach separated concerns about the environment from social issues.

Protecting the environment was also presented as being about individual choices rather than about how society is run. Some environmental movement activists blamed workers as much as industry's owners for environmental damage. All of these put off some workers from environmental concerns.

Recently it has become more and more apparent that the working class and the poor suffer the most from environmental damage. It has also been even clearer that the main culprits are the large corporations and the governments that defend them.

Capitalism exploits both people and the environment in order to make profit. People who don't produce a profit, such as the unemployed, children and old people are put on the scrap heap. Capitalism wastes people and resources.

More and more, people see that the environment is a global issue and there are close links between environmental and social struggles.

The recent mass demonstrations on 18 June and in Seattle last November are part of the growing unity of environmentalists and labour movement activists in a common struggle against capitalism.

In the past human activity, usually through ignorance, damaged a local environment which in turn harmed the local society. But now capitalism damages environments around the world, not through ignorance but out of choice, putting profit first.

Capitalism's actions cause suffering for millions of people. The fight against capitalism is both for the benefit of people and for the environments we depend on.

To win a victory, it is better to fight for something positive rather than just against negatives. Capitalism is the cause of most of the linked environmental and economic problems of the world today.

Socialist production
Socialism offers a way of living that isn't dominated by profit, greed, exploitation, ever-increasing wasteful production and environmental damage. The real democratic running of society, where people have control over economic decisions, would make a big difference.

Production could be organised so that materials are re-used, waste is almost eliminated and what waste is produced would be treated. We could use technology and science to understand the world better, so that human activity becomes more in line with the flows of natural systems.

The economy would be organised to meet people's needs for now and the future, so environments would be protected. In other words, a socialist world would have diverse, healthy and attractive environments where people and other life would flourish.

http://www.socialistparty.org.uk/Environment.htm
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Xenotime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 04:19 PM
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1. Good article. Capitalism has ruined america.
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 05:03 PM
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4. Capitalism is fine!
The problem is that things got screwed up in a way where it gets bent badly.

The Soviet Union did MUCH worse however.

Capitalism isn't the problem. Apathy is.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 04:24 PM
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2. intelligent, rational thought can save the planet, not a political framework
socialism isn't going to make things any better, just like communism or capitalism or authoritarianism.

It will take rational thought on a collective scale to save the planet, which is why we are pretty much screwed.
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 05:14 PM
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5. "rational thought on a collective scale"

Sounds like socialism to me.

There ain't no waiting around for people to become "enlightened", whatever that is. Much more practical to change a social order which has no other purpose than to increase wealth and damn the torpedoes.

It's crunch time.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 05:16 PM
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7. well, good luck with that then...
it hasn't worked in 10,000 years, so I don't know why it would work now.

and socialism is not necessarily collective thought. It's a forced march, which will ultimately NOT solve the problem.

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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 05:29 PM
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8. Not true

Consider what Marx had to say about the Iroquoise.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 05:31 PM
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10. fair enough... I'll rephrase: It's never worked on a large scale
and has had limited success on a small scale.

If you think for a moment that a majority of American's will sign off on socialism, I think you're going to be unpleasantly surprised.
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 05:53 PM
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12. Ain't gonna happen in a second

But I think you underestimate your countrymen.

As for scale, we'll certainly need to change our atomized society.
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diane in sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 04:46 PM
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3. We have to set a new framework for business that does not allow externalizing costs
There is no place that is external to the web of nature we all live in.
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 05:15 PM
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6. You'll kill the bottom line.

Not allowed.
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GliderGuider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 05:30 PM
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9. Who says the planet needs saving?
Edited on Tue Jan-08-08 05:37 PM by GliderGuider
Who says we could save it even if it did?

Snarks aside, socialism is the only socioeconomic/political system that has ever made any sense to me.

However, the real problem that has wrecked the world is our underlying paradigm of infinite growth in a finite world. While capitalism is very, very good at maximizing the negative consequences of that misunderstanding of reality, there is no evidence that other systems are much better at recognizing and living within limits either. Communism of all stripes ran into the Tragedy of the Commons in a big way, and even moderate mixed-market socialist countries like Sweden still look forward to growing their GDP every year.

Socialism might give us a chance, because to adopt it requires the fundamental realization of the interdependence of all human beings, and maybe by extension the interdependence of all living beings. However, the core dualism (man's conviction that he is preternatural) that has backed us into this box isn't directly addressed by political or economic socialism. Unless we could correct that dualist mis-perception in a sufficiently large number of people, there isn't an organizing principle yet invented that couldn't and wouldn't be perverted in the interests of power and status. The drive to reproduce, consume, compete and acquire status are human characteristics that are, if not actually genetic, at least deeply embedded by evolution. As a result they are very hard to thwart.

So the answer is no, socialism will not save the planet. Reducing human numbers and human activity will save more of it for other species and our own descendants. Unfortunately, the organizing principle that will be in play when that happens is far more likely to be tribal than socialist.
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 05:45 PM
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11. Couple things..

I don't know how you change people's minds, defeating that "core dualism", you're much more likely to change an economic system which is predicated upon unlimited growth.

To be sure, we are beyond carrying capacity. However, to entrust any sort of population management to our current racist, classist system is asking for the worst kind of trouble.

I see socialism as the only moral and potentially successful means of survival.
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GliderGuider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 06:02 PM
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13. I disagree on one point
I actually think we've had quite a bit of success at defeating dualism, because breaking out of that mold is a personal event. It's entirely possible to convince individuals that their worldview is mistaken and damaging, and help them change it. Changing an economic system, OTOH, is harder than hell, because you need to convince an enormous mass of people to go along. And among that mass of people are those with power, for whom such a change is decidedly not in their best interests.

I think changing the world one person at a time actually has a much higher probability of success. In addition it opens the doors for the creativity of all those awakened people to potentially create organizations you and I have never even thought of. One of those might be even better than socialism.
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The2ndWheel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 07:21 PM
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14. The infrastructure needed to make that work would increase our impact
"where people have control over economic decisions"

You could hardly let people have control over economic decisions. Talk about wasteful.

"Production could be organised"

What are you changing then? If production is organized, we're going to end up in the same place no matter what ism we use.

"We could use technology and science to understand the world better, so that human activity becomes more in line with the flows of natural systems."

We use technology and science to distance ourselves from the flows of natural systems.

"The economy would be organised"

Again, we're organizing an economy. We're still not changing anything.

"In other words, a socialist world would have diverse, healthy and attractive environments where people and other life would flourish."

It couldn't have diverse anything, same as in a capitalist world. Everyone would have to live the same way the world over. How is that diverse?
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 09:44 AM
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15. nope, less infrastructure
"You could hardly let people have control over economic decisions. Talk about wasteful."

That's what I call democratic.

"What are you changing then? If production is organized, we're going to end up in the same place no matter what ism we use."

It's a matter of producing what people need, not what someone thinks they can sell with the aid of psyops.

"We use technology and science to distance ourselves from the flows of natural systems."

That is as it stands. It is a matter of applying science and technology in the service of humanity not in the service of Capitalism. Eliminating the military industrial complex alone would be a massive improvement. Then there's pet rocks, cellphones, golf, mcfood, automobile culture, suburbs...

Food, clothing, shelter, medical care, these are the right of all living in a culture capable of providing them. The preservation of the biosphere is also a vital necessity, not only our life support but the matrix of our existance.

"It couldn't have diverse anything, same as in a capitalist world. Everyone would have to live the same way the world over. How is that diverse?"

Nonsense. Free of the mass commodification of everything including culture, communities would be more able to develop their native expression without the encroachment of Coke, Brittany and dancing with the stars.
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