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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 03:00 PM
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Check out this load of crap that the GOP came up with !
Edited on Tue Jan-08-08 03:06 PM by garybeck
This is your tax dollars, hard at work...


U.S. Senate Report: Over 400 Prominent Scientists Disputed Man-Made Global Warming Claims in 2007


INTRODUCTION:

Over 400 prominent scientists from more than two dozen countries recently voiced significant objections to major aspects of the so-called "consensus" on man-made global warming. These scientists, many of whom are current and former participants in the UN IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change), criticized the climate claims made by the UN IPCC and former Vice President Al Gore.

...

This new report details how teams of international scientists are dissenting from the UN IPCC’s view of climate science. In such nations as Germany, Brazil, the Netherlands, Russia, New Zealand and France, nations, scientists banded together in 2007 to oppose climate alarmism. In addition, over 100 prominent international scientists sent an open letter in December 2007 to the UN stating attempts to control climate were “futile.”

http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.SenateReport

Now before I get into any debunking of this LOAD OF CRAP, let me point out that the report title implies it is a "Senate" report when in actuality it is a **MINORITY** Senate Report. In other words it is published exclusively by the GOP.

Now, let's get into some of the details. At first glance it looks pretty serious. "400 prominent scientists" sounds like a lot, huh?

I won't take credit for the research on the debunking but I found this:

The report was put together by Marc Morano, known for being the first reporter to report the "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth" story. He's a good fiction writer. His big dumb list is full of duplicates and weathermen and crackpots and/or people who don't actually dispute AGW:

For example, Morano quotes Dr. Eigil Friis-Christensen, Director of the Danish National Space Centre offering this banal statement of the obvious: ""The sun is the source of the energy that causes the motion of the atmosphere and thereby controls weather and climate. Any change in the energy from the sun received at the Earth's surface will therefore affect climate." Morano, however, neglects to mention that Dr. Friis-Christensen says, quite clearly, that change is solar radiation CANNOT be demonstrated to have caused the climate change of recent years. In fact, he says: "There is no reason to neglect a contribution from man made greenhouse gases."

Another "prominent scientist" is listed as "Australian climate data analyst Dr. John McLean, who, by his own self-described webpage, is a computer consultant and travel photographer. No background in climate science.

Another "prominent scientist" is listed as "Chemist Frank Britton" who wrote his condemnation "in a July 28, 2007 article in the Pasadena Star." Well. Letter to the editor/opinion piece, actually. At the end of his published piece (no longer available on the Star News web site but archived here) he lists his impressive credentials: Frank Britton has a degree in chemistry from Cal State L.A. He lives in Pasadena. Yessiree, an undergraduate degree in chemistry does a "prominent scientist" make. No background in climate science.

Another "prominent scientist" is a retired professor, electronics engineer "Dr. John Brignell is a UK Emeritus Engineering Professor of Northampton Engineering College." He's such a prominent scientist, he self-published both of his books on sale at Amazon.co.uk. No background in climate science.

Another "prominent scientist" is "Retired Air Force atmospheric scientist Dr. Edward F Blick, Professor of Meteorology and Engineering at University of Oklahoma" who published his anti-global warming tract on the website of the TWIN CITIES CREATION SCIENCE ASSOCIATION. Dr. Blick's current book on sale at Amazon is the Scientific Analysis of Genesis in which he concludes "concludes that scientific evidence supports the Genesis account of special creation." Oh, and he's also listed elsewhere as: Edward F. Blick, Ph.D., Professor of Petroleum and Geological Engineering, Retired, University of Oklahoma. So he's an oilman and a creationist. Neat!

Another "prominent scientist" is Iowa State Climatologist Dr. Elwynn Taylor, Professor of Meteorology at Iowa State University. The 400 list cherry-picks some quotes to make him a skeptic. The same article the 400-list cherry picks also states, " 'The point that Taylor makes with his ozone story is not, "Hey people, the ozone hole is our fault, so global warming probably is, too," but rather, "Hey people, human beings have cooperated and stopped the ozone hole from getting worse, so we just might be able to stop global warming from getting worse, too.' " More clearly, he states his position on his website: The only responsible computation (to date to my knowledge) of the contribution people have made to climate change is 5% of the observed change. Bankers care about 5%, we should too.-- Elwynn. So basically, he neither denies AGW or that we should be taking action. And hey, what a coincidence--he has a background in climate science.

http://priuschat.com:80/forums/showthread.php?t=40990


I wouldn't think much of this crap except that the way I found out about it was by reading my local newspaper and someone was actually reporting it as a valid and newsworthy report.

Question to lurking Freepers... do you actually believe this crap? This is a good example of the boatloads of crap that you've been buying from these folks for a long time. When will you wake up and realize you just can't trust these people for anything?
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 03:02 PM
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1. Is the Fox weatherman listed??
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 04:15 PM
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2. This is a prime example of vote buying. Vote buying?
The article was put together by a Swift Boat activist?

It does not appear to be scholarly from what was shared here? And the contributors don't appear to be scholars?

So ... since the Republican Minority owes them for their votes and donations, they got the ppoliticians to 'sponsor' their report?

Or?

Do Republican politicians not want their legacy to show the truth of their objections to warming (i.e., man-made warming) because Republicans support industrial polluters who to do want to be subject to U.S. legislatation? Did the politicians ask the Swift Boater attack teams to prepare the paper? Or did the polluters ask the Swift Boaters to write it - and - make the politicians release it?

Or?

Is it still profitable to deny global warming and has someone decided that they can still get and retain fundie votes since once you get them to believe what you want them to believe you don't want to make many changes?
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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 08:55 PM
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3. my take...
global warming policy (environmental policy) threatens big business

the republicans, the big oil companies, they are not necessarily asking eachother to do this or that or sponsor a report. they are one and the same. they are more than friends - they are the same people. the president and vice president are owners of oil companies. so when you see something like this, it's nothing more than someone trying to cover their own ass. the truth doesn't stand in the way - just exaggerate here and there a little bit, take some things out of context, ask some clever friends for some help, whatever works.
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