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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 01:20 PM
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Paul Crutzen, Other Climate Scientists Push To Rename Holocene "Anthropocene" - ABC News
We humans are having such a dramatic impact on our planet that some leading scientists think the current era needs a new name. We're no longer in the Holocene epoch, they say. We're now well into what they are calling the Anthropocene. This planet is being changed by human activities in ways that will continue to alter Earth for millions of years. The most obvious example is global climate change precipitated by the release of greenhouse gases from fossil fuels, but there are many more, some so obvious it's hard to think of them as insidious threats to our environment.

But they are indeed, according to the leader of the Anthropocene movement, Nobel laureate Paul J. Crutzen, who is said to have coined the word during a science meeting in 2000. Crutzen, former chief of atmospheric chemistry at the Max-Planck-Institute in Germany and now a part-time professor at the Scripps Institution of Oceanography in San Diego, is out with a new paper that leads off with a provocative question: "Are Humans Now Overwhelming the Great Forces of Nature?"

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Crutzen and his colleagues — Will Steffen of the Australian National University, Canberra, and John R. McNeill of Georgetown University — concede that those early folks had a significant impact, but they argue that the real turning point began in the late 18th century with the industrial revolution, and it reached a new level at the end of the Second World War. They call the modern period the Great Acceleration of the Anthropocene, when humans began to overwhelm their planet.

In their own words: "The Great Acceleration is reaching criticality. Enormous, immediate challenges confront humanity over the next few decades as it attempts to pass through a bottleneck of continued population growth, excessive resources use, and environmental deterioration. In most parts of the world the demand for fossil fuels overwhelms the desire to significantly reduce greenhouse gas emissions.

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http://www.abcnews.go.com/Technology/DyeHard/story?id=4074374&page=1
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 01:27 PM
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1. Don't see any reason why anyone would disagree with using that name.
Well, anyone in the scientific community, that is. I'm sure those with a vested interest in trying to eek out a few more years of helping people to remain blissfully ignorant or deluded about the situation might very well disagree...
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hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 06:02 PM
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2. I think we should pick an actual date.
We could end the neogene at some appropriate point, maybe 2000, maybe the Second World War.

Besides January 1st, 2000 as the zero year, I waiver between the startup of Chicago Pile 1 on December 2, 1942, or the Trinity Test, July 16 1945, 5:29:45 A.M. (Mountain War Time), or when I'm in an especially grim mood, the atomic bombing of Hiroshima.

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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 06:08 PM
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3. E.O. Wilson also had a really good suggestion for naming the post-extinction future
The Eremozoic Era - the Age Of Loneliness.
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hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 06:17 PM
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4. Perfect.
Edited on Thu Jan-03-08 06:19 PM by hunter
But then I start to think about where the actual dividing line may be -- when the bulk of the oceans go anoxic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anoxic_event

That would be a nice clear marker in the geologic record, one that will last billions of years...

:scared:
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GliderGuider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 07:34 PM
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5. Sept. 11, 2003?
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Dead_Parrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 08:26 PM
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6. Take your pick:
Edited on Thu Jan-03-08 08:31 PM by Dead_Parrot
120,000 BC: Man finds that coal burns (in Germany, funnily enough)
13,000 BC: First extinctions "assisted" by humans (various, global)
9,000 BC: Neolithic revolution (Start of farming, Fertile Cresent)
8,000 BC: First coal mine opens in China (It had to be, didn't it)
7,000 BC: First signs of deforestation (Europe)
100 BC: First extinction caused entirely by humans (Syrian elephant)
850 AD: First use of an oil field (Azerbaijan)
1750 AD: CO2 deviates noticably from natural levels (global)
1806 AD: François Isaac de Rivaz (Swiss Git) invents the internal combustion engine, and
1807 AD: François Isaac de Rivaz invents the automobile. Interestingly, his car ran off hydrogen...
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Nihil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 07:56 AM
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8. From that list, I'd vote for 1750 AD
The other stuff before then would be counted as background clutter,
lost in the "noise" of natural life, but from that point onwards it
became serious.
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jimlup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 11:13 AM
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9. agreed its a more scientific marker
Edited on Fri Jan-04-08 11:14 AM by jimlup
And a point that would be noticed by "intelligent" beings looking a the climate/geological record 100 million years from now.
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GliderGuider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 11:28 AM
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10. Nope, for me it's the start of agriculture.
If we're looking for the point at which humanity began to remake the world in a way that was fundamentally different from any previous species, the development of agriculture was the tipping point. From then on all the other effects we've had on the planet were essentially preordained.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:22 AM
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7. "Say goodnight, Gracie"
n/t
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