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OKIsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 05:57 PM
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Smarter energy storage for solar and wind power
http://www.physorg.com/news115310558.html

Smarter energy storage for solar and wind power

Development of the first hybrid battery suitable for storing electricity from renewable energy sources such as solar and wind is now a step closer.

CSIRO and Cleantech Ventures have invested in technology start-up Smart Storage Pty Ltd to develop and commercialise battery-based storage solutions.

Director of the CSIRO Energy Transformed National Research Flagship Dr John Wright said the Smart Storage battery technology aims to deliver a low cost, high performance, high power stationary energy storage solution suitable for grid-connected and remote applications.

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“The Smart Storage technology is based on CSIRO’s ‘Ultrabattery’ which has been successfully trialled in hybrid vehicles,” Dr Wright said.

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The Smart Storage technology is a hybrid battery which combines an asymmetric ‘supercapacitor’ electrode and a lead-acid battery in a single unit cell. Advanced materials used for the electrodes and current management absorb and release charge rapidly and at efficiencies well above conventional battery types.

It is expected that the discharge and charge power of the Smart Storage battery will be 50 per cent higher and its cycle-life at least three times longer than that of the conventional lead-acid counterpart.

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suziedemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 08:00 PM
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1. Thanks! k&r
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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 08:12 PM
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2. Gee. I haven't heard a "super capacitor" tale in at least two years.
I was just wondering to myself the other day what happened to all of the super capacitor cars that used to get hyped here.
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OKIsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 12:42 PM
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3. Honda to put ultracapacitors on the road in '08
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/11/05/honda_ultracapacitor_mit_electric_shag_nix_batteries/

Honda to put ultracapacitors on the road in '08

By Lewis Page
Published Monday 5th November 2007 13:28 GMT

Everyone who owns a mobile phone knows something about rechargeable batteries, but not that many non-engineers really know about capacitors. Even so, big capacitors - aka supercapacitors or ultracapacitors - have just gone mainstream.

It was announced last week (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/10/29/honda_fcx_on_sale_08_plugin_hybrid_smackdown/) that the Honda FCX will be sold to ordinary drivers from 2008. Like most other fuel-cell vehicles, the FCX needs buffer storage for electric power between the fuel cell and the motor: and the FCX uses an ultracapacitor (http://world.honda.com/FuelCell/FCX/ultracapacitor/) rather than a conventional chemical battery.

Electrical storage is needed because fuel cells can't put out a lot of peak power for a given weight. Over time, Honda is confident its hydrogen cells can supply enough energy to meet the demands of an ordinary motorist; but those demands aren't evenly distributed. Going uphill and overtaking, a driver needs to take juice fast; when idling or freewheeling, he or she hardly needs any; when braking, energy should ideally go back into the system.

So the FCX needs a way to store electric power during periods of low drain or braking, so it will be there when required. In effect, the FCX is a hybrid design not unlike the Toyota Prius; it just replaces the hybrid's petrol engine with a fuel cell.

But chemical batteries aren't really ideal for this kind of use. They hold a lot of energy as electrical storage devices go, but they don't like being made to give it up fast. Worse, repeated charging and discharging wears them out quickly.

Enter the ultracapacitor, which doesn't hold anything like as much juice but laughs at charge cycles and high drain. MIT electrical and electronics boffin Joel Schindall writes (http://www.spectrum.ieee.org/nov07/5636) about ultracapacitors in this month's IEEE Spectrum, explaining his own lab's efforts to make capacitors hold a lot more energy than they formerly could.

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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 12:32 AM
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5. Let me guess how many.
Five? Six?

Seventeen?

Actually, your link seems to indicate that this is another hydrogen toy for rich people, starting at 50,000 pounds sterling.

I just love yuppie car culture gyrations. They're so cute.

There is a problem with there being no hydrogenation stations except the one that the State of California keeps for Governor hydrogen Hummer.

Another yuppie toy to pretend that the car culture isn't doomed.
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OKIsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 02:43 PM
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7. The Charge of the Ultra - Capacitors
http://www.spectrum.ieee.org/nov07/5636

The Charge of the Ultra - Capacitors

By Joel Schindall

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It's almost engineering heresy to suggest that a capacitor could power a car. Indeed, the common capacitor stores a puny amount of energy. At equivalent voltage, a chemical battery can store at least a million times as much energy as a conventional capacitor of the same size. Put two ordinary capacitors the size of a D-cell battery in your flashlight, each charged to 1.5 volts, and the bulb will go out in less than a second, if it lights at all. An ultracapacitor of the same size, however, has a capacitance of about 350 farads and could light the bulb for about 2 minutes.

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Three main factors determine how much electrical energy a capacitor can store: the surface area of the electrodes, their distance from each other, and the dielectric constant of the material separating them. However, you can push conventional capacitor designs only so far. What the Standard Oil engineers did was to develop a capacitor that functions differently. They coated two aluminum electrodes with a 100-micrometer-thick layer of carbon. The carbon was first chemically etched to produce many holes that extended through the material, as in a sponge, so that the interior surface area was about 100 000 times as large as the outside. (This process is said to “activate” the carbon.)

They filled the interior with an electrolyte and used a porous insulator, one similar to paper, to keep the electrodes from shorting out. When a voltage is applied, the ions are attracted to the electrode with the opposite charge, where they cling electrostatically to the pores in the carbon. At the low voltages used in ultracapacitors, carbon is inert and does not react chemically with the ions attached to it. Nor do the ions become oxidized or reduced, as they do at the higher voltages used in an electrolytic cell.

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There are two major limitations to the conductivity of activated carbon—the high porosity means there isn't much carbon material to carry current, and the material must be “glued” to the aluminum current collector using a binder, which exhibits a somewhat high resistance. If my colleagues and I replaced the activated carbon with billions of nanotubes, we predicted we could make an ultracapacitor that could store at least 25 percent—and perhaps as much as 50 percent—of the energy in a chemical battery of equivalent weight. (To get that much improvement, we'd have to make a number of other changes, as well, such as increasing the number of ions in the electrolyte to reflect that new-found storage space.)

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It's not a straight path from high-density ultracapacitors to practical electric cars, but what my colleagues and I have done may constitute one big step along a tortuous route to making such vehicles more convenient and attractive to consumers. Even if it takes many years before ultracapacitors on their own can power either full battery-electric or hybrid cars, we're already at the point where such devices could easily assist lithium-ion batteries. "How to Ultracap A Car"] When the car's electric motor needs high current for a short time, the ultracapacitor supplies it. After the demand eases, the ultracapacitor recharges from the battery. When the motor, working now as a generator, delivers high current for a brief interval—which is typically what happens with regenerative braking—the same thing happens in reverse. A computer would monitor voltages, the state of charge, load, and demand, and then adjust the current flow accordingly using some additional dc-dc power electronics. The added weight and expense involved might not matter if it improves vehicle performance and makes the battery last longer.

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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 01:06 PM
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4. Great!
What I would like to know, is, when are they going to make it affordable to convert to solar power. I would really love to thumb my nose at big oil and power companies.
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 12:53 AM
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6. OK, does the "asymmetric" super-cap feed only off the battery or...
Does it also absorb charge from regenerative breaking?

If not, it would be FAR more efficient to use a separate bank of "symmetric" super-caps to provide faster/more efficient storage of regenerative braking energy than any available battery. The current 15% maximum recuperation is totally inadequate.

The "advanced cathode materials" issue bugs me too. How much will that add to the cost of the batteries and how much would they alone contribute to the extended life of the batteries?

I too am a fan of super caps, but the new Li-ion technology (if all the hype is true) seems far better poised to solve these issues: As long as they're cost competitive. However, tripling the current 500 cycles from convention lead acid batteries (even though their energy/weight ratio is much higher) can't be all bad. In stationary applications - off grid especially - a properly sized battery bank would last in excess of 20 years.

Thanks again OKIsItJustMe.
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