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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 09:52 AM
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A Last Warning on Global Warming (Time mag)
Edited on Sun Nov-18-07 10:02 AM by jpak
http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1685199,00.html

The language of science, like that of the United Nations, is by nature cautious and measured. That makes the dire tone of the just-released final report from the fourth assessment of the U.N.'s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), a network of thousands of international scientists, all the more striking. Global warming is "unequivocal." Climate change will bring "abrupt and irreversible changes." The report, a synthesis for politicians culled from three other IPCC panels convened throughout the year, read like what it is: a final warning to humanity. "Today the world's scientists have spoken clearly, and with one voice," said U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki Moon, who attended the publication of the report in Valencia, Spain. Climate change "is the defining challenge of our age."

The work of the IPCC, which was co-awarded the Nobel Peace Prize last month with Al Gore, underscores just how momentous that challenge will be. The report predicted that at a warming trend of 3.6 degrees Farenheit — now considered almost unavoidable, due to the greenhouse gases already emitted into the atmosphere — could put up to 30% of species on the planet at risk for extinction. A warming trend of 3 degrees would puts millions of human beings at risk from flooding, wetlands would be lost and there would be a massive die-off of sea corals. Sea levels would rise by 28 to 43 cm, and most frightening of all, the report acknowledged the possibility that the melting of the Greenland ice sheet, which would release enough fresh water to swamp coastal cities, could occur over centuries, rather than millennia. "If you add to this the melting of some of the ice bodies on Earth, this gives a picture of the kinds of issues we are likely to face," said Rajendra Pachauri, the IPCC's chairman.

As if the potential consequences of climate change weren't scary enough, the IPCC emphasized just how little time we have left to try to change the future. The panel reported that the world would have to reverse the rapid growth of greenhouse gases by 2015 to avert the worst consequences. The clock was running. "What we will do in the next two, three years will determine our future," said Pachauri. "This is the defining challenge."

That puts the pressure on the world's leaders to finally do something about global warming. They'll have their last, best chance next month, when energy ministers from around the world travel to Bali, Indonesia, for the annual meeting of the U.N.'s Framework on Climate Convention. There policymakers will begin attempting to negotiate a successor to the Kyoto Protocol, which expires in 2012. "The breakthrough needed in Bali is for a comprehensive climate deal that all nations can embrace," said Ban.

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Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 10:32 AM
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1. I don't have much
hope with * in power. I have to not let myself think how things might have been if Gore had been in the oval office seat years ago.
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terisan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 11:38 AM
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3. I am thinking that Bush has so debased the US presidency that Gore is now in a stronger position
than he would have been as president.

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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 12:41 AM
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8. Unbelieveably harsh, but nearly poetic.
Given what happened to Clinton - THEY have no rules of conduct - he's assuredly stronger as an outsider, unfettered by the morality and restraint he would bring to the office of President.
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KewlKat Donating Member (867 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 11:20 AM
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2. The more I read and see in photos of the effects of GW
the more I'm convinced nothing we do will halt it and at best we may only gain a few years if we can manage to implement severe change. We have destroyed mother earth. She's on life support. The only way she can heal herself is to rid herself of humantity. Only then, may she recover enough to sustain what humans, if any, remain.

The world still debates about climate change maybe because to believe it would cause their heads to explode. Can you imagine the chaos we will have when the evidence is finally accepted by one and all in the world? If you thought the aftermath of Saddam's fall in Iraq was bad, we ain't seen nothin yet.

I am without hope................
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Maven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 11:43 AM
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4. While climate change may be the defining challenge of our age
peak oil is the defining challenge of our generation, and the more immediate challenge to our survival. Climate change will just make the project of survival much more difficult, at least in the short term.
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Delphinus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 09:29 PM
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7. Did you read the post over in
the Peak Oil that I put up yesterday? It's an oil insider's tale and it's quite unsettling.
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Maven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 02:20 AM
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9. I did read it, thanks for posting
Edited on Mon Nov-19-07 02:22 AM by Harvey Korman
Unsettling indeed. :scared:

I hadn't been on the LATOC forums--lots of useful info there, I think, although some posters go a little overboard with the apocalyptic whatnot. That said, it's a good resource for learning what others are doing to prepare.

As for me, problem #1 is figuring out where to go and when, since I'm obviously in one of the last places you'd want to be in if and when the SHTF.
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Delphinus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 06:25 AM
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10. I understand ...
about not wanting to be where you are. My son wants me to move closer to him but it's in the desert and it's huge - I keep saying, "why?". He doesn't get it - which is one of the wonderful aspects of youth and maybe, just what we need to get us through. :)
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ramapo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 10:49 AM
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14. Please post a link
Thanks
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Delphinus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 04:32 PM
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15. Here you go:
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northernsoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 07:08 PM
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16. I would add diminishing potable water to that list
of converging, inter-related crises with a very imminent event horizon.
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GliderGuider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 07:24 PM
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5. According to Dr. Albert Bartlett:
Edited on Sun Nov-18-07 07:59 PM by GliderGuider
"If any fraction of the global warming can be attributed to the action of humans, then this by itself is positive proof that the world population, living as we do, has exceeded the carrying capacity of the Earth. So it is an Inconvenient Truth that any proposals to solve the global warming problem that don't include reducing populations to sustainable levels are gross intellectual frauds."

For more on Dr. Bartlett and why he is considered one of the great educators of this crisis, http://www.hubbertpeak.com/bartlett/">read this page. Peak oil, climate change and ecological collapse all come back to too many people doing too much on a finite planet.

My read of the global situation is that we have less than fifteen years left before the situation becomes critical, though we're already well past the point where we could have prevented that from happening. Half a generation is simply not enough time for fertility reductions to do anything significant to help in places where the numbers matter such as Africa and Asia. In places where over-consumption is the problem, like North America and Europe, there is no mechanism short of a global depression that will reduce consumption enough to matter.

Our impact on the planet will be reduced in the time-tested ways experienced by by all species in overshoot. It's a bleak thought, but I see little chance that we will avoid this through our own efforts. For a smart species we've been incredibly stupid. Exponential growth has killed us.
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Delphinus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 10:08 AM
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13. Glider,
will you share with us, here on this thread, your thoughts on what this overshoot is going to bring? Or link us to where you've talked of it in other threads? Thanks.

And, Exponential Growth - that was the phrase I was looking for when I posted something over in Peak Oil - why I can't remember that phrase is beyond me, but it ALWAYS slips my mind!
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GliderGuider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 07:09 PM
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17. My thoughts on the effects of overshoot
Overshoot has two components, resource depletion and waste buildup. Anthropogenic GW is proof positive that we're in overshoot. As a species we've been able to ramp our total consumption up so high (and avoid the consequences for so long) because of our one-time gift of fossil fuels. I say the following in the "Overshoot" section of my article World Energy and Population:

There are two ways a population in overshoot can regain its balance with the carrying capacity of its environment. If the population stays constant or continues rising, its activity (expressed in terms of per capita resource consumption and waste production) must fall. If per capita consumption stays constant, population numbers must decline.

Populations in serious overshoot always decline. This is seen in wine vats when the yeast cells die after consuming all the sugar from the grapes and bathing themselves in their own poisonous alcoholic wastes. It's seen in predator-prey relations in the animal world, where the depletion of the prey species results in a reduction in the number of predators. This population reduction is known as a crash or a die-off, and can be very rapid.


Figure 15: Overshoot

It is an axiom of ecology that overshoots degrade the carrying capacity of the environment. This is illustrated in the declining "Carrying Capacity" curve in Figure 15. In the case of humanity, our use of oil has allowed us to perform prodigious feats of resource extraction and waste production that would simply have been inconceivable without the one-time gift of oil. Fossil fuels in general and oil in particular have made it possible for humanity to stay in a state of overshoot for a long time.

At the same time, the use of fossil fuel and other high-intensity energy has allowed us to mask the underlying degradation of the Earth's carrying capacity. For instance, the loss of arable land and topsoil fertility (estimated at 30% or more since World War II) has been masked by the use of artificial fertilizers made largely from natural gas. Another example is the death of the oceans, where 90% of all large fish species are now at risk, and most fish species will be at risk within 40 years. This situation would be calamitous for nations that depend on the oceans for food, except that the use of fossil fuels allow them to fish ever farther from their home waters or import non-oceanic food to make up for the shortage of fish. Depleted water tables can be supplemented by water pumped from deeper wells; air pollution can be avoided by the use of air conditioners, etc. All of these indicate that ecological decline is being conveniently masked by our use of energy.

As our supply of energy (and especially that one-time gift of fossil fuels) begins to decline, this mask will be gradually peeled away to reveal the true extent of our ecological depredations. As we have to rely more and more on the unassisted bounty of nature, the consequences of our actions will begin to affect us all.


When you tie this observation about the unmasking of our overshoot together with the drastically unequal global distribution of energy, GDP and population growth I explored in World Energy to 2050 and Energy Decline and the Growth of Destitution, the shape of things to come clarifies a bit.

First, it's obvious that the most severe effects of overshoot will be felt in Africa and South Asia. Those regions are vulnerable to every aspect of overshoot. Global warming will affect them strongly through droughts and floods, which will act to reduce their already marginal or deficient food production. Disproportionately lower energy supplies mean they will not be able to mask those effects by using more fertilizer, importing and distributing food, or finding alternate food sources like distant corners of the ocean that still have fish. The reduced GDP that comes with less energy will make it harder for them to afford mitigating technologies like wind turbines or desalination plants. The decline in natural gas will make fertilizer more expensive, reducing its use and cutting crop yields even further.

Let's look just at Africa. There is an ominous report from the FAO and the IPCC (notably un-hysterical organizations) which concludes that Africa could lose half its food supply by 2020. They point out that 95 percent of Africa’s agriculture depends on rainfall. They worry that that crop revenues in Africa could fall by as much as 90 percent by 2100 and that wheat production is "likely" to disappear from Africa by the 2080s.

As far as I know, these scientists are just looking at climate change, and have not factored in the rising fertilizer prices that are already impacting African farmers. In Malawi, for example, a famine situation was recently turned around when the government stepped in with a 75% subsidy of nitrogen fertilizers. As natural gas prices rise around the world, they will take fertilizer prices with them, since 85% of the cost of fertilizer is the cost of the natural gas feedstock. A tripling of the world average fertilizer price over the next decade or two doesn't seem outside the realm of possibility, given that it has already http://www.neo.ne.gov/statshtml/181.htm">doubled in the last 5 years.

These two factors of droughts and fertilizer shortages converge with the continuing impoverishment of the African population I described in my article Energy Decline and the Growth of Destitution" That impoverishment will leverage the effect of fertilizer and fuel price increases for African farmers, driving those essentials ever further out of reach. It appears likely that Africa is indeed headed for an overall 50% shortfall in agricultural output before the middle of the century.

The bad news for Africa doesn't stop there, though. Their population is expected to double by 2050, leaving the absurd image of a continent of 1.5 billion people trying to survive on a mere quarter of the per capita food they are consuming today. Obviously such a scenario in unrealistic, and something will have to give. If the projections for food production are accurate, the weak link will have to be the population.

Here's a site with a sobering collection of facts:

http://www.un.org/ecosocdev/geninfo/afrec/vol20no2/202-boosting-farm-yields.html">Boosting African farm yields

Africa uses about 1/10 the fertilizer per hectare of industrialized countries (21 kg/ha vs. 206 kg/ha). That means that their grain yield per hectare is a third that of the rich nations.

Heavy reliance on imported fertilizers, combined with high transportation costs and the absence of suppliers in the countryside, has meant that African farmers pay between two and six times the average world price for fertilizer — when they can find it at all. The IFDC study estimated that it costs more to move a kilogramme of fertilizer from an African port to a farm 100 kilometres inland than it costs to move it from a factory in the US to the port. With millions of African family farmers surviving on less than a dollar a day, imported fertilizer is simply unaffordable.

And,

Citing the potential environmental risks to African soils and water sources from too much chemical fertilizer being applied to farms — as sometimes happened during Asia’s “green revolution” — proponents of sustainable agriculture in Africa argue that farmers should use more animal manure, compost and other organic fertilizers. If farmers better integrate stock-raising with crop cultivation, cattle and other livestock could provide them with not only more manure but also with animal traction for ploughing fields and hauling crops after they are harvested.

While organic fertilizers are important, agrees Mr. Roy, he points to a serious limitation. “The quality of animal manure is dependent on the quality of the food the animals are fed.” With much soil severely depleted, he says, “the fodder contains little of the nutrients needed by crops.” Organic fertilizers alone “are simply not the answer to the crisis of Africa’s soil fertility. We need to increase the use of both organic and chemical fertilizers.”

Will we actually see a halving of Africa's population within the next 40 years? If the demographers, climate scientists and agronomists are correct, we probably will. It seems to me that this identifies the triggering locus of the coming global population decline.

The same effects will follow along in South Asia, probably trailing those in Africa by no more than a decade. Waves of economic refugees will wash across Africa, Asia and Europe. At the height of the migrations perhaps a billion people will be displaced, with all the violence, misery and geopolitical instability that implies.

The rich West will do fine, relatively speaking. We have the money to outbid the poor nations for the energy supplies we need. That will allow us to retain more of the "overshoot mask" I mentioned above, at least for a while. The problem for the West will be transportation, which will ultimately destabilize our economies. The transportation troubles could begin within a decade and progress quite rapidly as the net oil export problem dries up the international oil market by 2035.

Relative to the troubles in Africa and Asia, our difficulties will be minor, though they won't seem like it to us. Like Africa and Asia will see a drop in food supplies, both through spreading droughts and competition from biofuels. I think we will see food prices in North America rise to ten or twenty times their current levels within 25 years. At that point, weakened by resource wars, short on food and fuel, with our medical and urban sanitation infrastructure ravaged by global depression, we will finally start to succumb to our own population reduction by 2050.

That's sort of how I think it will look.
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Boomer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 07:57 AM
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18. I agree with everything you've said....
...including the timeline for how much time is left before the inevitable becomes too obvious to ignore.

The prediction that we have 10 years left in which to turn things around is ludicrous. We have, at best, 10 years to enjoy a way of life that will be swept away.
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Delphinus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 09:27 PM
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6. What we do in the next two, three years ...
I wonder what we (the governments more than individuals) will do ... sit around with their thumbs up their butts or get out there and do something constructive?
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pscot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 12:40 PM
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11. We're likely to do a lot of middle-of-the-road
kinds of things, that will have a marginal effect on the problem. After all, you can't expect politicians to be mean to the coal companies, the oil companies, the car companies and other polluters who drive their local economies. The senators from Pennsylvania, West Virginia, Michigan, Ohio, Alabama, Louisiana and Texas are going to be some of the biggest opponents of real change. They may not be able to stop it, but they will drag their feet. And their resistance won't be solely the result of corporate influence. Many thousands of miners riggers and auto workers are going to see this as a jobs issue, first and foremost. Part of the package is going to have to go to allaying those legitimate fears.
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Nihil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 04:28 AM
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12. Yep, that sounds pretty likely ... as Delphinus said ...
> sit around with their thumbs up their butts

One certainly can't expect politicians to pay attention to anyone other
than the bribe money that they campaigned to win nor that "ordinary people"
can understand something that isn't preached to them daily by the media,
the church or the unions ... shame really but that's the way it seems to be.

:shrug:

The sooner a decent-sized asteroid hits this planet the better.
At least that way people will see that it's not just some fancy-talking
scientists warning about things at some time in the near future - it will
happen quick enough for even the dumbest members of the human population
to understand (albeit rather briefly).

:grr:
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