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Speck Tater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-10 08:35 PM
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It's Monday morning in Asia and the markets are falling off a cliff.
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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-10 08:42 PM
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1. Down 3% or so. But they do that from time to time.
Only slightly below the close from last Wednesday.
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TheWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-10 10:21 PM
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4. Yes, Everything is Fine.
I have a feeling if the Dow went back down to the 6400 level, most people would still claim we are in a "Recovery".

Americans are desperately and futilely addicted to delusion and denial.

This is a Bubble based on nothing, and always was.

Bubbles Burst.

People should look into it.

The past 15 years is a good place to start. :)
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-10 12:40 AM
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7. And it never effects them..
because no one ever has to cash in their stock holdings for decades and every stock is guaranteed to be worth more eventually.

I love that reply. The cognitive dissonance is intense.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 04:58 PM
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Kringle Donating Member (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-10 09:29 PM
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2. euro, 1.1893 .nt
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-10 10:21 PM
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3. To Expect Anything Else Would Be the Height Of Optimistic Folly
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TheWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-10 10:26 PM
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5. Most people will still desperately believe everything is fine Demeter.
Edited on Sun Jun-06-10 10:28 PM by TheWatcher
There is no helping most of the country at this point.

They are fully invested in the fantasy they have been sold, and if they have to follow it off a cliff to a fatal conclusion, they WILL NOT be denied.

Even if The Dow goes to January '09 Lows, we will still be in a "Recovery".

Hell, even if Unemployment went to 50%, we would still be in a "Recovery".

I am starting to believe at NO POINT will most Americans give in or accept the Reality of the circumstances they face, because they simply aren't capable, and have absolutely no will or desire to.

Even the Ancient Romans at the height of their insanity and "Entertainment" wouldn't touch us with a ten foot pole, and would nervously go to the other side of the street to safer ground.

I don't think humankind has been witness to the kind of delusion and absolute disconnect from reality we are likely to see in the months and years to come.

This is how Empires End.

And ours is going to be Epic on a scale few could comprehend, I believe.

Grab The Popcorn.

Not Even Irwin Allen could film and direct a Disaster Movie of this scale.
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jtuck004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-10 11:20 PM
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6. Chain, chain, chain, chain of fools...

Hope I don't lose my Aretha Franklin recording...
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ProgressiveVictory Donating Member (322 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 09:17 PM
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8. I dont know anyone who thinks things are fine. Who is pushing that message?
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 05:14 PM
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9. Stick around.
You're in the wathctower now, but you'll see. They call us "gloomers" and "debbie downers" and Republican plants simply for posting fact-based economic analysis that doesn't jibe with the recovery meme happy talk.


"No reason to get excited", the thief he kindly spoke
"There are many here among us who feel that life is but a joke
But you and I, we've been through that, and this is not our fate
So let us not talk falsely now, the hour is getting late".

All along the watchtower
Princes kept the view
While all the women came and went
Barefoot servants too

Outside in the cold distance
A wildcat did growl
Two riders were approaching
And the wind began to howl..


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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-10 09:23 PM
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jtuck004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-10 10:41 PM
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12. She (or perhaps he - who knows on the Internet <G>) don't need
Edited on Mon Jun-14-10 10:41 PM by jtuck004
no stinkin' credentials to realize the lost income from 31 million unemployed and underemployed people and the continuing increase in those that have been unemployed for 6 months or longer. Tens of thousands of people have seen their 50, 60, 80 thousand dollars a year jobs disappear only to be offered 20 and 30 thousand dollar a year jobs. That has had a devastating effect on the taxes that used to pay for teachers, fire protection, police and other municipal and state services. Many 5 and 10 year ARMs come up for reset in October to February (public record). Manufacturing's contribution to GNP has been halved over the past 20 years, replaced by the finance industry and the movement of wealth to a smaller and smaller percentage of people. It's a matter of public record that we need about 125,000 jobs each month just to stay even, yet months like May (more or less an average of this entire year so far) where private industry only created about 30 or 40 thousand simply keep us in or dig us deeper in the big hole we are already in. It's public record that people with $25,000 a year income or less are suffering from unemployment rates of 20 to 30%. And corporations such as Coke are reporting profits not from domestic sales but from sales overseas. Foreclosures have increased to record levels. A dozen state governments are unable to pay their bills (not to mention scores of municipalities) because tax revenues have simply dropped off a cliff.

With the advent of government assistance for food breadlines have all but gone away, but I can tell you the food banks are handing out food like never before, and state workers are reporting that thousands upon thousands of new people are applying for aid for food and heating assistance.

And now Obama wants 50 billion to help unions keep people employed. (Ignoring the other 30 million, perhaps?). Not more taxes from the 15% of people with 85% of the wealth (public information), no plan to assist private industry in creating more jobs to pay those taxes. Just write a check from the account.

The point is that we are in serious economic trouble, there is more coming, and there really is no light at the end of the tunnel, no plan, no real answers.

One doesn't need an economics degree to interpret this. Maybe leaving it up to people who are convinced that an economics degree is necessary to figure things out is where the problem is.

Maybe the reason your posts aren't in this forum any more is because there is nothing else to add, no other way to do this math?

I realize it might be pointless to you, but some of us enjoy getting the data (it's really hard to get a handle on the entirety of what's out there these days) and maybe, just maybe, it might motivate people to call their elected officials and insist that they pay a little more attention to jobs?

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Po_d Mainiac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-10 05:50 PM
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10. Ow yea of little faith
When cable/dish channels start disappearing, due to a lack of advertisers, the masses might start to think there is coffee brewing.

or

The call into the cops/fire dept/ambulance that goes un-answered (or the recorded message about the number no longer in service comes through) might raise an eyebrow as well.
YMMV
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