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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 12:12 PM
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UK..Blackwater type "private cops" break down doors of DEBTORS!

Tuesday, December 23, 2008

Bailiffs get power to use force on debtors


This is happening in England now but it won't be long until these types of laws govern many countries. It only makes sense: if private security firms and personnel are the future, what good are they if not given power over people and property. Very disturbing article.

December 21, 2008
Jon Ungoed-Thomas
The Times
The government has been accused of trampling on individual liberties by proposing wide-ranging new powers for bailiffs to break into homes and to use “reasonable force” against householders who try to protect their valuables.

Under the regulations, bailiffs for private firms would for the first time be given permission to restrain or pin down householders. They would also be able to force their way into homes to seize property to pay off debts, such as unpaid credit card bills and loans.

The government, which wants to crack down on people who evade debts, says the new powers would be overseen by a robust industry watchdog. However, the laws are being criticised as the latest erosion of the rights of the householder in his own home.

“These laws strip away tried and tested protections that make a person’s home his castle, and which have stood for centuries,” said Paul Nicolson, chairman of the Zacchaeus 2000 Trust, a London-based welfare charity. “They could clearly lead to violent confrontations and undermine fundamental liberties.”
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Bailiffs have for hundreds of years been denied powers to break into homes for civil debt or to use force against debtors, except in self-defence. In a famous declaration, William Pitt the Elder, the 18th-century prime minister, said: “The poorest man may in his cottage bid defiance to all the forces of the crown.” Ministers have now proposed bailiffs be given powers to physically remove debtors who try to defend their property, for example by draping themselves over a car or blocking the door of their home. Lord Bach, a junior justice minister, has assured the House of Lords that any new powers will be implemented only after a consultation and will not be used to search debtors’ pockets or to remove jewellery.

It emerged last week that Her Majesty’s Courts Service has already handed out guidance to privately employed bailiffs, pointing out that under legislation passed in 2004 they can already break down doors as a last resort to collect court fines.

Some restraint should be exercised, according to the “search and entry powers” guidelines. “If a person locks himself in their home, it might be reasonable to break open the door, but probably not to smash a hole in the wall,” it advises.

Details of the new guidelines were obtained under freedom of information laws. They say homes should not be broken into when nobody is in. Reasonable grounds for breaking down the door include the “movement of a curtain”, a radio being heard or a figure being spotted inside which “may be the offender”.

It is claimed these powers are already abused. In one case, an 89-year-old grandmother returned home to find a bailiff sitting in her chair having drawn up a list of her possessions. He was pursuing a parking fine owed by her son, who did not even live at the address.

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http://fiddleferme.blogspot.com/2008/12/bailiffs-get-power-to-use-force-on.html

This is a perfect example of why as a LEFTIST I am totally against any kind of gun control, including registration. Everyone, especially the left, should be considering buying a firearm. This WILL come to America. It not IF but WHEN!
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 12:14 PM
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1. Hoy boy.
Monte Cristo! :banghead:
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 12:18 PM
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2. This is a "New" Labour law and they are the British version of our DLC. (nt)
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 12:23 PM
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3. Blair and Clinton started that. "The Third Way" what a bunch of crap!
Sellout bastards!
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 04:13 PM
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10. As far as I can tell, the DLC is all about protecting the very wealthy from the masses.
Edited on Tue Dec-23-08 04:14 PM by w4rma
The DLC has always been very pro-gun control - for regular people -, up until very recently.
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 12:25 PM
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4. How will a gun give you any protection from a legal home invasion?
"This is a perfect example of why as a LEFTIST I am totally against any kind of gun control, including registration. Everyone, especially the left, should be considering buying a firearm. This WILL come to America. It not IF but WHEN!"

Would you shoot that bailiff? If you did, you would go to jail for life. How is that a solution? What benefit does having a gun make?
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 12:58 PM
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5. A gal's got to do, what a gal's got to do...
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 01:06 PM
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6. That's it?
That's your only response to your claim that guns would provide some resolution of a political problem? And I bet you wonder why people think people like you are not sane. lol.

:)
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 01:18 PM
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7. It's amazing to me how many people still don't get it.
Edited on Tue Dec-23-08 01:19 PM by Joanne98
When the state becomes a criminal nothing they do is legal. These cops are just STEALING! People have a right to defend their shit from thieves no matter how many badges they're wearing.
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 01:42 PM
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8. So you shoot that one, and when the cops come, you shoot them too?
I think I can predict the end of that little interchange. How come you still don't get it?
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 04:33 PM
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11. Somehow I think that particular scenario is going to end in you getting shot by the cops.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 04:09 PM
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9. Here is how the gun ownership is a total solution
Edited on Tue Dec-23-08 04:09 PM by truedelphi
When everyone makes it clear that any armed force entering a house will be shot, the bailiffs won't appear.

Of course that probably worked better in the eitheen hundreds as now that SWAT-inspired Blackwater teams descend in the middle of the night, I don't know that it could work.
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 04:36 PM
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13. "Of course that probably worked better in the eitheen hundreds"
OK...
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 04:36 PM
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12. Blackwater went to Iraq for practice.
Now they're coming home.
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Mike 03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 04:58 PM
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14. Shocking. We are headed back to the days of debtor's prison.
Although it's already here: throwing renters who have PAID their rents out of their homes, tossing their belongings on the front lawn, because the owners of the apartment houses they rent in have declared chapter seven.

Can you imagine having all your private things tossed out on your front yard? What if you were gone for a few days over the holidays, or at work when it happened? You come back and half of it has been stolen.
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