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kalian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 12:34 PM
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So much for that "Saddam" rally....
Its barely over 85 points...no biggie IMHO and...the dollar keeps
on tanking (!).

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=568&u=/nm/20031215/bs_nm/markets_forex_dc_8&printer=1

Oh well, I guess that the smart money sees right through the
smoke and mirrors.
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 12:38 PM
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1. S&P 500, the broadest indicator is up 0.3% (i.e. not much)
At the open everything was MUCH higher. This rally may not have legs.
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kalian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 01:05 PM
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2. Its obvious it doesn't have legs....
its all make believe. Its amazing how they were pumping up the
masses yesterday...a Sunday of all days. :eyes:
But the continued dollar decline is definitely something that speaks
volumes...there is NO FAITH left in the US economy nor in the
US currency. This so-called "boom" that the Bushistas are crowing
about is all bunk...
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cosmicaug Donating Member (676 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 01:59 PM
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3. What do you mean? The dollar is doing GREEEAAT!!!
I just checked the dollar index at http://finance.lycos.com/qc/stocks/quotes.aspx?symbols=CEC:DX03Z and it's at 885.12, up 796.66 points (900.58%) from 10:00 a.m.this morning.


Actually, I'm pretty sure it's a decimal place bug (I don't know where else to check for the dolar index and I'm to lazy to calculate it myself at this moment). I'm guessing the true value must be 88.51 --which, while I'm not sure whether it is a decline or not is certainly not a much of a recovery from a low.
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CaptainClark23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 02:08 PM
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4. amazing!
Thy can program wishful thinking now!

I'm doing a screenprint of this one, for posterity. Thats just beautiful....

btw, http://www.kitco.com/market/ has all the usuals on one easy page, for those of us who couldn't calculate the index, lazy or not.
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cosmicaug Donating Member (676 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 06:27 PM
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6. It's still not fixed
btw, http://www.kitco.com/market/ has all the usuals on one easy page, for those of us who couldn't calculate the index, lazy or not.

I've noticed they link there on the recurrent threads 'STOCK MARKET WATCH'. I hadn't noticed that they list the Dollar Index (until you mentioned it). Thanks!

P.S. Just reported the error to the Lycos people. They don't make it easy to find the appropriate contact address.
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 06:04 PM
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5. but, but, but..
I thought that catching Saddam would solve all our problems! :)

I was actually hoping the dollar would rise today so that I could buy some euro traveler's checks.

the hard news about our economy is scary, though, that's for sure.

here's an exerpt from Talk of the Town from the dec. 15th New Yorker, after the writer mentioned the lying headline in the NYTimes about manufacturing at its highest level in two decades...

"It misinterpreted an economic indicator that is designed to gauge whether factories are churning out more or less stuff than they did last month, not absolute levels of production. The most reliable measure...the Federal Reserve's index of industrial production...in Oct. was 112.7, compared with a high of 118.4 in June of 2000."

"...We are living through the early stages of an old-fashioned 'political business cycle,' in which the post-election stage is likely to be much less fun. Once the votes are counted, whoever is residing in the White House will have to deal with record-breaking budget deficits and trade deficits, both of which are symptomatic of a nation living well beyond its means. In only three years, the federal govt has gone from a surplus of two hundred and thirty-six billion dollars to a deficit of three hundred and seventy-four billion dollars...The economic slowdown that began in 2001 was partly responsible for this fiscal calamity, but the chief culprit was Repulican profligacy. Tax cuts and higher spending have set the country's finances on an unsustainable course. "

"The trade deficit, which has received less public attention, also represents a major threat to the economy. It now exceeds five per cent of G.D.P. Other countries that have run up trade deficits of this magnitude have eventually lost their creditor's confidence, and faced a currency crisis, higher interest rates, and a sharp recession. Of course, the President won't mention that the United States could follow the path of Brazil, Argentina, and Indonesia in his next stump speech. After all, the Dow is once again on the verge of ten thousand, Wall Street traders are getting ready to pocket their heftiest bonuses in years, and Google is planning the biggest Internet I.P.O. yet. Close your eyes and think of 1999."
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