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slor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 08:51 AM
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Hey BEHERENOW...
I am intrigued by the Chinese story about the need for silver in some new technology, can you post a link? Thanks
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 07:58 PM
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1. Yes Dear?
I am here, now.
Yes. I will go digging for that article-
I understand Bill Gates has a bunch o'stock in a silver mining
company that goes by PAAS on the NYSE.
Interesting huh?
BHN
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slor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 08:00 PM
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2. LOL...
sorry for the caps...Thank you Friend.
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 08:15 PM
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3. Not the on eI am looking for but...
a start-
"China silver consumption market has great potential
Source: Xinhua News Agency - CEIS
Publication date: 2003-12-01


China silver consumption market has great potential
JINAN, Dec. 1 (Xinhua) -- Wang Yao, vice secretary-general with
China's General Chamber of Commerce, said at a recent
national silver annual conference that China's silver market has
great potential. Wang Yao set forth the huge potential capability
in China' silver market. He said sales of silver ornaments were
huge and the growth of the Chinese economy would push the
market. According to market research in the nation's big
supermarkets, in 2002, total retail sales of silver reached 8.83
million yuan ( around 1.07 million US dollars). Compared to the
same period in 2001, sales increased 50 percent. Wang Yao said
China's industrial use of silver would increase in the fields of
environment, communication, medicine and aviation."

Still looking...
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 08:28 PM
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5. More- but still not what I am looking for!
This is related to, but not the actual thing I am looking for...
Snip-
victory accumulation, China Develops Enhanced Versatile Disc
(EVD) System - A new system of Enhanced Versatile Disc (EVD),
developed by davform and with China's own intellectual
property rights, has passed state appraisal, ending the
monopolization by foreign countries of such technology as seen
in the core technology for VCD to DVD manufacture. Sponsored
by the State Trade and Economic Commission and the Ministry of
Information Industry, the system was developed by davform and
put into trial by the SVA (Group), which hopes to begin
production and bring EVD onto the market within the year. The
system could be applied have many functions and be applied to
household electric appliances, computers and communications,
with its technological section containing 22 patents and 5 sets of
software. The EVD standard has become a trade standard and
has been submitted to the International Electrotechnical
Commission and International Organization for Standardization as
an international standard proposal. The EVD system shows
apparent technological advantages over DVD system,
according to experts from the appraisal committee, and fills in
blanks of storing and displaying of hi-definition programs. EVD
technology actually uses a DVD disc that has multi-layers and is
capable of storing 10 times more information compared to a
conventional DVD disc - a conventional DVD disks can store 4-6
GB of data while an EVD can store over 50 GB of data per disc.
Its EAC (Exact Audio Copy) is able to produce an audio
frequency of higher quality than dolby AC-3 under the same rate
as it duplicates an audio signal into a digital format removing all
noise level from its modulated signal. -
beijing.lehmanlaw.com/newsletter/patent/20020805.htm
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 08:17 PM
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4. Gates threw $15 mil into silver mining in 1999 - this is a small addition.
Edited on Sat Dec-13-03 08:18 PM by papau
but silver - unlike gold - does indeed have steady industrial use.

Offhand, 15 mill over 60 billion times my fortune - so that Bill and I had the percentage of our assets in silver - would not buy a cup of coffee for very long!
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 01:08 AM
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6. Closer-
But STILL not the ONE I am looking for-
http://www.china.org.cn/english/2002/Sep/42685.htm
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 01:23 AM
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7. Slor...
Still looking- I am thinking it was on a PAAS message board-
I will look for it again tomorrow.
I know it is connected to EVD and digital/communications.
In the meantime:
http://silver-update.com/ezine/sept03.html
Getting tired now-
nighty-night,
(((hugs)))
BHN
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happyslug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 01:37 AM
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8. Four Conductive metals
Edited on Sun Dec-14-03 02:18 AM by happyslug
There are three conductive metals, in order on conductivity, Gold, Silver, and Copper (Other metals conduct electricity but none are as good as these four, Aluminum is often used to conduct electricty but that is more do to its light weight than its electric conductivity).

Notice Gold and Silver do a better job of conducting electricity than Copper. We use copper because it is a lot cheaper than Gold and Silver (Aluminum is used when light weight is deemed important, for example the VERY large electric pylons carrying power from a power plant to distant distribution points tend to be Aluminum not copper, but you lose a lot of electicity do to the increase resistence of Aluminum).

Since WWII, as computers have become more powerful, a trend started (First in the Military than civilian markets) to replace Copper with more efficient Silver and Gold (Copper is still the dominant metal used to transport electricity, with aluminum a distant second). Gold and Silver use ha increased in Computers or similar electronic devices do to Gold and Silver's superior conductivity over Copper.

Gold and Silver being more efficient than copper, less metal was needed do to the Silver and Gold's Greater efficiency. Thus the use of Gold and Silver permitted lighter units (and as such Gold and Silver were used in a lot of American Jet Planes of the Vietnam era, as electronics became more and more important to launch missiles and detect enemy planes with Radar).

Starting in the 1980s, the computer industry increased its use of Silver and Gold for the same reason. With the newer, lighter and smaller machines coming on line each year in the 1980s and 1990s, the actual amount of metal drop. As the total metal needed in a computer dropped, the greater efficiency of Silver and Gold Over Copper became more important than Gold and Silver's greater price over copper. You had many situations, where do to the need for less metal, Silver or Gold was not that much more than copper AND THE GREATER EFFICIENCY OF GOLD AND SILVER COULD MAKE THE COMPUTER EVEN LIGHTER, MORE EFFICIENT AND CHEAPER FROM A MANUFACTURER'S POINT OF VIEW.

Thus Bill Gate's purchase of Silver and Gold may be just a need to secure supply of Silver and Gold for Computer MANUFACTURER NOT investment in fear of a drop in the dollar.
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happyslug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 02:14 AM
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9. Why Gold, Silver and Copper are used to conduct electricty.
Now to understand WHY Copper, Silver and Gold are the best for Conductivity is to understand the atomic structure of Atoms. You have a center core of Protons and Neutrons, with the electrons revolving around the center core. Like the Planets going around the Sun, the electrons are in “orbits” around the center core, but unlike the Plants, the electrons often have more than one electrons in an orbit.

Now each orbit has a set number of electrons to make it “full”. In the First Orbit that number is 2 electrons, in the Second Orbit it is 8 electrons, in the third it is 18 electrons, in the Fourth it is 18 electrons (and than 32 after the Fifth orbit has reached 18).

Electricity conducts best when the OUTERMOST ring of electrons has only 1 electron AND The rest of the rings are full. This occurs in column 1b of the Periodic table. Three natural occurring elements exists in that column, Copper, Silver, and Gold.

Thus these three elements are the preferred elements for transporting electric current, and why all are used in electric circuitry.


For a Periodic Chart:
http://education.yahoo.com/reference/encyclopedia/entry?id=36717

Copper
Symbol: Cu
Atomic Weight: 63.546
2  8  18  1
Atomic Number: 29

Silver
Atomic Number 47
Symbol Ag
Atomic Weight 107.8682
2  8  18  18  1

Gold
Symbol Au
Atomic Number 79
Atomic Weight 196.9665
2  8  18  32  18  1
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