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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-04 12:02 PM
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I find that many who consider themselves Conservative confuse ......
Conservatism with ignorance. I do not mean that in a snide way, although I do mention it with some glee. I know people who claim to be Republican/Conservative, yet have no concept of the devolution of government into state's rights or even a viable knowledge of fiscal conservatism. Most seem to call themselves "Conservative" because the term "liberal" has been hijacked to be defined as something bad and in a rush of lemming-like idiocy they Rush - nice pun - to be as unliberal as possible, even though they don't really know anything about politics or current events beyond what the skewed Hannitys or the sensationalistic mainstream tells them. Which to an informed and well-read individual is pretty much nothing. What you learn from tv and ideologue talk radio or even a newspaper is very little and often times sensational or status quo driven.

The other concept in that is philosophy or essentially "The Message." Democrats/Liberals tend to be policy driven and highly engaged in policy making. Witnessing Al Gore drone about the intricacies of legislation of some bill that has something to do with complex economic, environmental or health care policies is not as sexy or exciting as watching George W. Bush say he's going to cut everybody's taxes. It's simple and it resonates. As does other slogans. "We are good, they are evil, Saddam is Hitler Revisited, We will Liberate the Iraqui people" etc. Most people do not understand or want to understand the concept of terrorism, which is essentially political violence. After 9-11 -and obviously it has been exploited - this simplified message has served Bush well. Nobody wants to hear about 50 years of bad foreign policy and maybe we need to put a lot of thought into rooting out terrorism and preventing it in the future. They just wanted to hear that terrorists are bad and we are going after them. Even if we went after the wrong people. In this manner: "Support The Troops" was much more important than legions of protesters thinking: "What the fuck are we doing, this is awful," Hyper-patriotism is a simple tool and an effective weapon for exploitation. So we have, Conservatives as supporters and defenders or our country, Liberals must be traitors in that case. To the uninformed or uninitiated simple rhetoric is a binding principle.

Never mind that all those tax cuts are predominantly tilted to the exorbitantly wealthy. Never mind that flat out lies will persuade a poor person to vote for "tax cut" advocates. The same applies to the propaganda of social conservatism. It's a concentrated effort to frighten and genuflect the uninformed. Pure propaganda. If you aren't Pro-life than you advocate little baby fetuses getting sucked out of a mother's womb. That's evil, right? If you are adult enough to have sex than you should be responible enough to keep a kid, right? Well, never mind the fact that millions of women die from having non-medical abortions a year. Let's forget that Republican policies all but ensure that a young mother would rather have an abortion anyway, because they obliterate the proper social safety net and have destroyed this country's living wage and health system in the last two decades. Let's forget that a social conservative like Bob Barr -a House Manager who helped impeached Clinton and tried him in front of the senate - made his career as a Family Values Conservative, yet cheated on his wife, then when he found out she was pregnant dropped her off at an abortion clinic and forced -yes, forced - her to have an abortion. Dropped her off. As in he didn't have the balls to go in and stay with his wife while she went through a procedure he made her have. To this day he still is a preachy social conservative, albeit one of the biggest hypocrites alive. The Average Citizen doesn't know any of this, nor do they want to know. All they hear is buzzwords and catchphrases. "Family Values." "The Institution Of Marriage." America Is Great." "Mission Accomplished." "Support The Troops." It all hits home.

And, it is easy to fall for, as the message is direct. Persuasive, yet nothing but empty oratory, however. So if your are not cognizant of facts, then ignorance just may make you go this way. We all identify with the Conservative message. No Democratic individual I know doesn't support the troops. I don't know anybody who has an abject opposition to "life." I don't know anybody who is particularly fond of taxing our Middle Class into the poor house. Yet, being a party of complex ideas, diversity, and an intellectual world view, means that it is not easy to be simple and direct with our message. It is not easy to pick up those not cognizant of reality. Knowing the talking points on Health Care policy will not win anybody the ignorant vote. But a concise message and a catchy sound bite, just may.

Combine that with the hateful nature of the far-right Republican attack machine and the Liberal tradition of staying above the fray and we have some serious problems. Save, now Democratic challengers are learning to fight back, which is a good thing.

This is a struggle. One that needs to be continued and refined. I am an advocate of simplifying a message and touching the disengaged electorate, or the large segment of society that totally ignores the system altogether. The question is how?

The answer is not that easy.
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PragMantisT Donating Member (893 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-04 12:23 PM
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1. Well put
Most Republicans I know consider themselves conservative, but most conservatives I know hate republicans. They are not interchangeable terms. Most of my republican friends are scatterbrained and only vote republican because they think that it will get them more money or invited to the country club. Oddly enough, a good many of them are government employees and see no hypocrisy in talking about government waste when they themselves do the work of less than half the work of an employee in the private sector. They even bitch about paying taxes which go directly onto their wallets. I have to laugh.

I don't know anyone who is crazy about death and killing of any kind. Of course, in college, they would have a pregnant girlfriend get an abortion. Thank god it was there, but their daughters should not have the option. They see capitol punishment as social expedient, but not abortion.

As the Ramones say, their brains are turned upside down.

Keep the faith
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heidler Donating Member (78 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-04 12:50 PM
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2. I believe that Republicans try to use the pretense of Religion and being
law abiding in a feeble atempt to get others to be more gulable. As to abortion, they would use it for their own daughter in a heartbeat, but deny common people access.

I believe that being financially conservative is good, but the Republicans threw it out because it interfered with their tax cuts for the rich. That was their last claim of being conservative and now they are a sick facade. Being an enviromentalist is a conservative objective that too interfered with making money so it had to go.
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LondonAmerican Donating Member (438 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-04 06:06 PM
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3. Most 'conservatives' don't have a clue about what they saying
and I say that as someone who could be considered a 'conservative' by some on this board. I'm not a conservative myself (I'm 'small-l' libertarian and am not interested in 'conserving' a corrupt state of affairs) -- and one of the reasons why is the sad state of what passes for conservatism today: cheap imperialism, moral posturing and a desire to use the government to re-order society according to _their_ wishes.

I used to go to FR every once in a while for laughs and to see what that motley collection of neocons, gay-bashers, inbreds, rednecks, warmongers, likudniks and taliban protestants are up to but lately it's been just pathetic -- even worse, if possible, than before.

These are people who talk about the constitution but have no idea of what federalism and states rights actually mean (hint: it doesn't have to do with the federal government banning gay marriage or regulating drugs against the wishes of the citizens of the states), who seem to think that the constitution should be interpreted solely in light of what they interpret the christian bible to say (ie: let's introduce a christian version of sharia here) and who can't read anything more complex than the latest screed from one of their subliterate pundits.

Anyway, it's good to be on DU and I'm looking forward to some stimulating conversation.
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Pale Blue Dot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-04 06:23 PM
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4. Hi LondonAmerican!
Welcome to DU! :hi:
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SpartacusSC Donating Member (78 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-04 01:43 AM
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5. I mean this in the nicest possible way.........
Mega-dittos. :D

This hits on a very real problem, how do you present complex issues in terms that the average citizen can understand?

At least as far back as Alexis de Tocqueville our democracy has been associated with "instinct" rather than thought. We are lethargic and preoccupied citizens.

I might be wrong, but I'm beginning to think that even without careful analysis the public has "bad feelings" about many of the country's current policies. The question is how do you present the alternatives in terms to which they can relate?
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Only Me Donating Member (631 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 03:00 AM
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6. I totally agree with your post...
And I often think that we have to shoulder a portion of the blame.
I believe that it is our responsibility, and not just, DNC or Kerry Team, Dean, or whomever, to make differences with the voters, newspapers and tv media.

I see time and time again, on DU and elsewhere, people referring to
our party, or party members as if it did not include them.
Our party is US. With out us, there is no party.

We see articles we don't think are fair, we don't take a moment and send in a comment or request for corrections. A candidate does something we like or don't like, we need to let them know.

If a bill comes up that is important to us, we need to sound off.

I say all this respectfully, because I know that many of us do all that we can do. There is a ton of activism here, but their could be tons more. I just think a lot of great energy is lost when Dems don't get active. We loose the moment to maybe, make a difference with someone that is just a little confused or totally
misinformed. But I do believe that if we as a party, stayed proactive and a little more collectively organized, year round. We could make converts.
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