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Chris Crew Donating Member (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-08-09 01:23 AM
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Republicans think Obama is like Hitler?
All too often leaders within the Republican Party have been comparing Obama to Hitler. With this kind of rhetoric, one would think that Obama must be trying to pass legislation to enact some of the brutal policies of Hitler's Nazi Germany. Its worth remembering the kinds of policies Hitler actually enacted to evaluate Republican's comparisons. Hitler setup secret trials without traditional justice, created torture facilities, began widespread surveillance of his people, scared his people into fearing and hating a religious minority, lied to the public to get support for war, and denounced dissenters as being on the side of foreign terrorists. Obama has done none of these things. In fact, Obama fought against doing these very same acts while they were being championed by the Bush Administration and the Republican Congress.

Bush and Cheney setup a new court system they called “Military Commissions” that were so clearly designed to thwart traditional American justice that the Supreme Court shot it down twice (www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/29/AR2006062900928.html , www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/06/12/boumediene/). To this day, those on the political right argue that our enemies do not deserve fair trials and it is Obama who has pushed to try many of our enemies in our traditional Federal court system. It is Obama who has stood up for preserving the rights outlined in the Constitution and it is the Republicans who are looking to subvert these rights.

Bush and Cheney also setup a comprehensive torture regime euphemistically referred to as “enhanced interrogation techniques.” Despite regularly telling the public that “America does not torture” through the eight years of the Bush administration, the Republicans now concede that many prisoners were tortured. Mock Executions, threatening to rape and kill prisoners' family members, beating prisoners until they are unconscious, using dogs to attack prisoners, choking prisoners until they are unconscious, using electrical shock torture on genitalia, and a variety of other perverse sexual forms of torture were amongst the “techniques” began under the Bush Administration. (http://civilliberty.about.com/od/waronterror/p/torturelite.htm , http://archives.tcm.ie/businesspost/2003/03/23/story562592643.asp). To this day, many on the right (Cheney most vocally) continue to publicly advocate for torture. It was Obama, in his first few weeks in office, that ended America's support for torture.

Bush and Cheney granted widespread new powers to American Intelligence Agencies to spy on Americans (http://www.amconmag.com/article/2003/dec/15/00012/). With support of the Republicans in Congress, they began wiretapping Americans phones, reading Americans emails, our text messages, monitoring our internet usage, and our library usage all without warrants. To this Day, Bush Administration officials and their Republican cheerleaders stand by their decision despite conceding they broke the law by spying on Americans without a warrant (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124770304290648701.html). Obama has done nothing like this.

During the Bush Administration, Americans' fear and hatred of Islamic people has skyrocketed (http://www.lewrockwell.com/reese/reese356.html). Racial and religious discrimination was advocated and institutionalized, euphemistically referred to as “racial profiling” (http://www.scu.edu/ethics/publications/ethicalperspectives/profiling.html). As a result Islamic people now live in fear of reprisal from their neighbors, coworkers, and law enforcement agencies because of who they are, rather than anything they have done. Obama has stood strong against racial profiling.

In the run up to the war in Iraq, the Bush Administration claimed with certainty that they knew Iraq had weapons of mass destruction,was developing nuclear weapons, and that this threat justified a military invasion and occupation. Americans were famously told by Bush in 2002 that “we cannot wait for the final proof -- the smoking gun -- that could come in the form of a mushroom cloud” (http://archives.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/10/07/bush.transcript/). Most of the world did not believe our intelligence (including most of our allies) and asked us to share the intelligence in order to gain their support for the war. Bush refused. If our intelligence was so strong, why didn't Bush share the intelligence with a couple key allies in order to gain their support? The answer is simple: after occupying Iraq for over eight years now, one can say with certainty that no weapons of mass destruction exist. With that knowledge, you can be certain that the intelligence was not nearly as strong as Bush and Cheney claimed. Obama, on the other hand, saw through the Bush Administration's lies and denounced the invasion from the beginning.

One of the hallmarks of the Bush Administration was their systematic attacks on any dissenters. Anyone in the media who did not support the Administration was labeled as “supporting the terrorists.” The Administration went as far as to get former CBS Anchor Dan Rather fired after working there for 44 years because he criticized Bush for walking away from his Texas Air National Guard commitments during the Vietnam War, of which he is litigating because no one has ever disproved his argument or the secret documents he aired on television (http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/10139 , http://www.usa-presidents.info/gwbush.htm). Not to mention the vitriolic attacks on anyone who voted against the wars, torture, secret trials, or warrantless wiretapping. Democrats were, and still are, told they don't support the troops if they don't support Bush's policies. And these attacks were also directed towards dissenting citizens. People who marched in the streets in protest were called unamerican and in cahoots with the terrorists by conservative leaders. Many were beaten in the streets and locked up. The Bush Administration went as far as to use the FBI to investigate, spy on, and infiltrate protesters (http://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/23/national/23FBI.html). In a 180 degree reversal, conservative leaders today say protest is an American tradition while supporting the Tea Party Protesters.

To be fair, Bush was no Hitler. Although Bush embraced and enacted many of the policies that Hitler enacted, he never created massive death camps that put millions to death. Adolf Hitler did not stop with a systematic rollback of freedoms, rights, and justice or by starting wars based on lies. Hitler killed around 6 million innocent Jews and Gypsies in the Holocaust, one of the worst stains on our planet's entire history. No American president has ever done anything even close to this, including George W. Bush. Of course this doesn't stop conservative activists from putting Hitler mustaches on Obama pictures or making signs with swastikas to try to show their opposition to Obama's policies.

The comparison between Hitler and Obama is absurd! Hitler setup secret trials to thwart traditional justice and Obama has pushed for policies that make American justice the envy of the world. Hitler setup a torture regime that carried out all kinds of heinous acts while Obama has stood strong against the use of torture for any reason. Hitler engaged in widespread surveillance of his people while Obama has brought America back to the rule of law. Hitler spoke on the evils of racial and religious minorities while Obama has encouraged America to embrace diversity. Hitler lied to his people to generate support for war while Obama called-out and denounced the lies leading up to the war in Iraq. Hitler persecuted dissenters with an Iron Fist while Obama has allowed Tea Party activists to openly dissent without fear of retribution.

In addition to all of the stark policy differences, Hitler was a conservative white supremacist who sought to exterminate racial and religious minorities through the Holocaust and Obama is a liberal black man who heavily values and promotes religious and racial diversity. Republicans need to step back and take a look in the mirror before pointing their swastikas at Obama.
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Ukonkivi Donating Member (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-08-09 02:40 AM
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1. Re: Republicans think Obama is like Hitler?
I think that we apply racial views to politicians as much as it is. The difference of racial view is not really important to whether Obama can be considered similar to Hitler on some scale or not. I'm pleased that at least your post did not call much attention to the racial difference of Obama and Hitler.

Politically, Hitler was actually economically left of Barack Obama who is more free market than Hitler. And Government wise Hitler was way more Authoritarian than Barack Obama. A person like Adolf Hitler was like the antithesis of Libertarianism.
And the person most similar to Adolf Hitler in political ideology, is Sarah Palin.
She's not quite as economic right as John McCain, but she's clearly one of the most Authoritarian out there.
She is a real fascist. And I'm not afraid to say it in front of Republicans, because it's true.

Anyway, nobody is hardly very close anymore to a real Nazi, with the exception of a very stark minority of people who almost nobody on the left or right agrees with. Especially considering that Muslims are the new Jews.

The idea Republicans compare Obama to Hitler with is nothing more than anti-government rhetoric that by conservatives, is completely hypocritical. It's the way people call Stalin and Lenin fascist when in reality they weren't really Communist, but Statists with a modicum of support for Corporatism. That whole Right Libertarian argument that Rightism and anti-government and Leftism is pro-Government and therefor a fascist problem.

What you have to point out to these people is the pro-government stances of Conservatism, and anti-government leftism and the history of Anarchism. And wade through all their logical fallacies and hypocrisy how they defend government on some things but attack people for others. There's hardly worse than the typical United States American Conservative who claims to love and hate government when it's convenient.
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white_wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 07:15 PM
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2. Re: Republicans think Obama is like Hitler?
Blah this doesnt really worry or surprise me. It seems like comparing politicians you do not like to Hitler is the new fad. Though if we must insist on comparing current and former presidents to historical political figures i would argue that Bush was closer to Hitler while Obama would be closest to Napoleon who did spread some liberal ideas. Just for the record I'm not saying Obama is anything like Napoleon.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-04-10 06:40 PM
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prezpeng Donating Member (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 08:15 PM
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4. Obama is no Hitler
America suffers as a result
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nidhii_k Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 12:52 AM
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10. Obama is no hitler
Yes obama is not a hitler but only for americans but for other country he is.

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WitchyWoman57 Donating Member (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 04:02 PM
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5. Idiocy
Bush was Hitler. Now Obama is Hitler. Yawn.

Maybe we could all start thinking critically instead of acting like a bunch of knee-jerk reactionaries. (Too much to hope for?)
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 06:04 AM
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6. But I thought he was a "Socialist?"
They can't make up their feeble little minds what to call him. And they throw these words around without a clue as to the definitions.

The best one so far is the idiot that said "Obama is a Marxist leader like Hitler"
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-10 07:55 PM
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Yurovsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-10 07:52 PM
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8. Anytime I hear the comparison between Hitler and ANYONE...
I'm offended. Even a monster like Pinochet or Reagan dudn't systematically EXTERMINATE 6 million men, women, & children. Making such comparisons dishonors the victims of the Nazi regime.
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speedcat Donating Member (68 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 02:18 AM
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9. you da man
Love this! Keep it coming.

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protest_dude Donating Member (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 11:05 PM
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11. OH THE HYPOCRISY!
I remember that people who called Bush "Nazi" after being in office for 5 years were called traitors on FOX news.

Obama hadn't even stepped in before he got tagged as a Nazi.

The Larouche people did a lot of that too, but they think everyone is a Nazi. They sing about it.

I saw them picket Al Gore with a song called "Al Gore Is A Nazi."

They even had a banner saying "before the Nazis were brown, they were green."

Silly, insane, nuttery.

Anyone who criticized Bush as labeled a traitor, yet tea partiers are heroes for getting paid to stand around and say racist things.
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NiloTheAngryLatino Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 09:26 PM
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Connor W Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 12:50 PM
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13. Thank you.
Yeah, cause I'm pretty peeved up by those degenerate idiots who would stoop so low to compare obama to hitler like that.
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I Am So Me Donating Member (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 07:25 PM
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14. Tit 4 Tat
It's only tit for tat. After all, we liberals often called Bush Hitler. Remember Bushitler? I still laugh out loud when I think of that term. But it's reprehensible that Rethuglicans should call Obama Hitler and they should be silenced like the rabid dogs they are.

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JeffersonChick Donating Member (338 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-10 12:08 AM
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17. Thom Hartmann explains it
I just finished reading Thom Hartmann's book "Cracking the Code", where he explains how the right has mastered the use of NLP and similar techniques to malign Democrats. They use words and terms (such as "Nazi", "Socialist" designed to subconsciously produce fear, and to associate Democrats with negative ideas. Hartmann mentions that Newt Gingrich has deliberately learned to excel in this technique. If you look at his recent rant, you'll see examples throughout:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,593070,00.html

Notice all the fear/anger inducing words he uses.
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