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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 02:33 PM
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Will MSM ignore Tomorrow's Report that 2004 Election was stolen?
May Have Been Altered

Study Will Be Released Tomorrow March 31st

Group of University Professors Urges Investigation of 2004 Election

Officially, President Bush won November's election by 2.5%, yet exit
polls showed Kerry winning by 3%. According to a report to be released March 31^st by a group of university statisticians, the odds
of a discrepancy this large between the national exit poll and election results happening by accident are close to 1 in a million. In other words, by random chance alone, it could not have happened. But it did.

Two alternatives remain. Either something was wrong with the exit
polling, or something was wrong with the vote count.

Exit polls have a long history of exceptional accuracy in past decades in the US, in the Ukraine, in Latin America, in Germany, and elsewhere. Yet in November 2004, the discrepancy was more than five times this (and similar to that of the invalid Ukraine election.<2>

In a recent survey of US members of the world's oldest and largest
computer society, The Association for Computing Machinery, 95% opposed software driven un-auditable voting machines<3>, of the type
that now count at least 30% of U.S. votes. The vast majority of today's electronic vote-counting machines are not built with basic safeguards that would prevent and detect machine or human caused errors, be they innocent or deliberate.<4>

The consortium that conducted the presidential exit polls,
Edison/Mitofsky, issued a report in January suggesting that the
discrepancy between election results and exit polls occurred because
Bush voters were more reticent than Kerry voters in response to pollsters.

The authors of this scientific study of the National Election Data
Archive Project, consider that scenario highly unlikely, based on
extensive analysis of the election data presented in their report “Final Study of the 2004 Presidential Election Poll Discrepancies”. They conclude, “The required pattern of exit poll participation by Kerry and Bush voters to satisfy the exit poll data defies empirical experience and common sense under any assumed scenario.”

An executive summary of the report by Josh Mitteldorf of Temple
University has been released today and is available at: http://electionarchive.org/ucvAnalysis/US/Exit_Polls_summary.pdf. The full 25 page scientific report will be released tomorrow. This group's preliminary study on the exit poll discrepancies was not refuted by any PhD statistician in America, and we expect our final study to be similarly received in the academic community.

Amidst the data, many extremely unlikely anomalies exist, invariably in President Bush’s favor. For one, a state-by-state analysis of the
discrepancy between exit polls and official election results shows
highly improbable skewing of the election results biased towards the
president.

We have had election fraud in this country before. November's wildly
inaccurate presidential exit polls should warrant concern of the highest order by every American citizen.

The report acknowledges that the possibility of fraud in our vote
counting system is the most serious issue any democracy can face. If
there is any chance that vote counts have been electronically
manipulated, it is imperative that the people of the United States know the truth.

The report concludes, “We believe that the absence of any
statistically-plausible explanation for the discrepancy between
Edison/Mitofsky’s exit poll data and the official presidential vote
tally is an unanswered question of vital national importance that needs thorough investigation.”

US Count Votes is seeking financial support for its "National Election Data Archive" project in order to collect detailed election data and,prior to November 2006, to develop statistical methods to audit elections results data and provide statistical evidence of vote tabulation errors immediately following any US election.

*Contributors and Supporters of the Report include

*Josh Mitteldorf*, PhD - Temple University Statistics Department

*Steven F. Freeman*, PhD - Center for Organizational Dynamics,
University of Pennsylvania

*Brian Joiner*, PhD - Prof. of Statistics (ret) University of Wisconsin

*Frank Stenger*, PhD - Professor, School of Computing, University of Utah

*Richard G. Sheehan*, PhD -Professor, Department of Finance, University
of Notre Dame

*Paul F. Velleman*, PhD - Associate Prof., Department of Statistical
Sciences, Cornell University

*Victoria Lovegren*, PhD - Department of Mathematics, Case Western
Reserve University

*Campbell** B. Read*, PhD - Prof. Emeritus, Department of Statistical
Science, Southern Methodist University

*Jonathan Simon*, J.D., National Ballot Integrity Project

*Ron Paul Baiman, *PhD* *– Institute of Government and Public Affairs,
University of Illinois at Chicago

*About US Count Votes*

US Count Votes is a Utah non-profit corporation. It is the sponsor of
the National Election Data Archive project and of research to scientifically analyze the accuracy of vote counting in the United
States. Its goal is to provide nationwide, impartial statistical
auditing services to help ensure the accuracy of future elections.

For further information: contact Bruce O’Dell, Vice President, US Count Votes

Email: bruce@uscountvotes.org mailto:bruce@uscountvotes.org

612-309-1330

or visit www.electionarchive.org


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<1> "Evaluation of Edison/Mitofsky Election System 2004"
prepared by Edison Media Research and Mitofsky International for the
National Election Pool (NEP) Jan. 19, 2005
<2> In the November 21 runoff, Ukraine's official vote count
had Prime Minister Yanukovych the winner by 2.7%. Two exit polls showed
him losing by 8% and 2%, respectively. Thus, the discrepancy was between
10.7% and 4.7%. In the US, the discrepancy was between 6.5% and 5.5%.
See http://www.templetonthorp.com/ru/news808 and
http://www.indybay.org/archives/archive_by_id.php?id=2669&category_id=44
<3> www.acm.org/usacm/weblog/index.php?p=73
<4> http://uscountvotes.net/voting_machines/Best_Practices_US.pdf
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cdb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 02:38 PM
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1. Election?
What election? Stolen? There was an election? What? Hey, is Survivor on tonight?
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 02:39 PM
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2. No wonder Howie the GOPWhore Kurtz is ramping up rhetoric against
"liberal" colleges. Another pre-emptive strike.
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deek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 02:44 PM
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3. Couldn't possibly happen again!!
Could it?
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wurzel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 02:47 PM
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4. All this would matter if we lived in a democracy. But we don't.
We live in an plutocracy that has retained some democratic decorations. The fact is the citizens of this country do not care about democracy. If they did we would have one. If we want a more progressive expenditure of wealth this will have to be done by non democratic means. By doing what the Republicans do. Grab power and use it when we have it. Even when we have a so called Democratic administration like Clinton's, in fact, the policies went steadily to the right. They have been going steadily right since 1950. Democrats have never reversed this trend even when in power. Republicans have accelerated it whenever they have gained even the most marginal power.
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satya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 02:48 PM
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5. But...but...but...we have a free press! Democracy is on the march!
war is peace
freedom is slavery
ignorance is strength

:sarcasm:
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 02:55 PM
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6. TERRY SCHAIVO .. TERRY SCHAIVO .. TERRY SCHAIVO ..
That's what the MSM will be discussing tomorrow.
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 02:59 PM
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11. Damn straight
Meanwhile the world is collapsing around us.
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 02:56 PM
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7. Didn't you see the NYTimes headline "Now that Bush is safely re-elected"?
Edited on Wed Mar-30-05 02:58 PM by spooked911
Talking about how Karl Rove will start working on policy more.

:puke:
:puke:
:puke:
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 02:57 PM
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8. SLEEP. CONSUME. WORK. REPEAT.
We have to stop "playing fair" and start STEALING, the way they do.
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gordianot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 02:58 PM
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9. Expect more Shaivo headlines.
Barring that they could return to the Jackson trial.

I will never know, I no longer watch or partake in Corporate media. I do watch the commercials from time to time in order to choose which products I want to avoid. The anti-commercial effect.
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Selteri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 02:59 PM
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10. I'm betting that they'll call it a conspiracy theories. NT
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 03:01 PM
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12. Depending on how much play this gets in the media...
Edited on Wed Mar-30-05 03:02 PM by TwoSparkles
..."We the People" might be more receptive to the notion of a stolen election.

After the election ended, people chose denial over truth. They hoped that this president wouldn't be a maniacal disaster and they were clearly in denial about what transpired in the 04 election. They hoped Iraq would improve and that Bush would address the soaring deficit, job creation, outsourcing, immigration and the economy as a whole.

On each and every one of those issues--Bush has tanked.

Furthermore, his Social Security privatization plan was not touted during the election. I think some feel bamboozled. Plus, he's also screwed the farmers. Many conservatives and libertarians are upset by his actions in the Schiavo situation.

I bet people just might decide that it's time to come out of denial.

If the research is solid and the message cogent--I bet we could see this story grow some legs.

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Griffy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 04:42 PM
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18. WE are a media.. MSM is not the end all! The word is spreading!
I found many people at Deans DC fundraiser last week that agree that it was rigged! This is a drum beat.. WE will carry this message out.. make a newsletter out of this article and pass it out.. leave it in public places.. WE are the pamphletteers of the 21st century! So take some responsibilty for spreading the word.. yes, it is the job of the media.. and that used to be what the MSM did, but thats OVER, the 4th estate is dead, or at least in a coma( not to be confused with a PVS).. media is corperate infotainment. Im listening to Ed Schultz and he his speaking truth! AAR is out there.. TAKE PART in the fight against PROPAGANDA!
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 03:04 PM
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13. exit polls were WAY off in Venezuela
Edited on Wed Mar-30-05 03:05 PM by Cocoa
in Chavez's summer 2004 recall election, exit polls (whose results were illegally leaked while voting was going on) showed Chavez losing in a landslide.

The magnitude of that error dwarfs the discrepancy in the Bush-Kerry election.

edit: this observation is in response to this part of your linked article:

Exit polls have a long history of exceptional accuracy in past decades in the US, in the Ukraine, in Latin America, in Germany, and elsewhere. Yet in November 2004, the discrepancy was more than five times this (and similar to that of the invalid Ukraine election.<2>
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 05:02 PM
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19. that was a "CIA" sponsored exit poll fustrated by a paper trail and Carter
no one, I hope, thought that the "opposition" sponsored exit poll was legitamate in Venezuela.
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kcass1954 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 03:06 PM
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14. Nothing to see here... Move along. n/t
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Drifter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 03:25 PM
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15. Nope ... they will be too busy ...
covering the largest terrorist attack on American soil.

That is what happened the last time real election results were to hit the MSM. On Sept 12, 2001 a report was to be released that revealed that had Florida law been followed, Gore would have won Florida, and of course the Presidential election.

Cheers
Drifter
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Virginian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 03:37 PM
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16. Tomorrow? Isn't survivor on tomorrow? The apprentice?
Even if MSM does carry it, will anyone pay attention?
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 04:17 PM
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17. I don't know about the MSM
but I hope AAR mentions this every day for as long as it takes.

*sigh*
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 05:07 PM
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20. me too :-) Come on AAR - Let's hear some talk on this!
:-)
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 05:45 PM
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21. Republicans say 2+2=5 now get with the program or we'll sic PsyOps on you
or Homeland Security. Get that darned Operation Mockingbird going again, the natives are restless without the copyrighted Truth the government dishes out.
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 06:32 PM
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22. We'll be able to tell how close the Professors got to the truth
by counting the number of times McClellan, Limbaugh, O'Reilly, DeLay, Frist et al dismiss them as "conspiracy theorists" or "far-left academics."

Here's a question for y'all: what are the odds that Bush doesn't know the election was cooked? I mean, what would be the point of telling him?
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 10:49 PM
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23. Yes, CM (corporate media) will ignore this. Just in the last week, they
have ignored:

--Delay letting his father go off life support;
--Frist participating in this with patients;
--Mr. Schindler letting his father go off life supports;
--Bush's TX law allowing hospitals to pull the plug if patient unable to pay;
--a male prostitute invited to talk about his story without anyone to question him at the effing National Press Club (OMG!);
and last, but not least,
--a report that the world has used up 60% of its vital resources for life to continue on the planet.

These guys are clowns, clowns, clowns.

See them for what they are!

They are the insane clown possee:
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 11:45 AM
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26. A Winner - not one mention on the wire by 11:45 Thursday!
:-(
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tommcintyre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 11:59 PM
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24. Yes, they probably will, but not for much longer.
With this report, the NATIONAL ELECTION REFORM CONFERENCE and the Carter Commission on Federal Election Reform (if the right people testify and it is publicized adequately) - it could all start catching up with them.
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Daphne08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 12:10 AM
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25. I wonder if they knew this was coming. If so,
it certainly adds a new facet to the 'professor bashing' we've been experiencing.
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