Why don't we have issue posts?

[dsc]

There was a post yesterday which wondered why Dean supporters rarely post issue threads. While I still take some issue with the premise of the thread this forum as a whole is berefit of issue threads. Just why is that. Could this be a reason? Linked below are three issue threads posted today about Howard Dean. One by me and two by Luminous X.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=108&topic_id=92222

This one has 5 responses 2 of which are his or hers.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=108&topic_id=92177

This one has 13 responses 2 of which are his or hers and one of which was deleted.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=108&topic_id=92475

Mine has 0 responses.

That makes a total of 14 responses from other people for three threads. Yes, this is the day before Thanksgiving and all of that. But 14 responses for three threads. I haven't a clue how much time Luminous X invested in his thread though it looks like a lot to my eye. I spent close to a half hour on mine. This thread alone has more responses despite being issueless garbage.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=108&topic_id=92359&mesg_id=92359

35 responses 2 of which are the author's.

Supposedly we decry the issueless attack or process threads that permiate this forum. Yet given the choice we clearly respond to those very threads. The score is 33 to 14 in total or 33 to less than 5 by average. We don't have issue threads in this forum because we don't read and respond to them. It is that simple. This forum has become what we made it. We have turned it into the issueless, barren wasteland it has become. We have met the enemy and it is us. We don't have issue threads, and won't have issue threads until we devserve issue threads.

On edit: It is even worse than I thought. The thread above was locked over 5 hours ago. So those 33 responses (more fairly 32) are actually a lowball estimate since who knows how many would have posted had the thread not been locked.

[JohnKleeb]

1. Seems as if people prefer to brawl than to look at issues

:hi: I remember I had a real good Kucinich thread and it wasnt getting looks due to a feud.

[dsc]

2. It wasn't all that long ago

that this forum resembled the Civil Rights forum. An issue only zone. Now it is nothing like that.

[JohnKleeb]

3. I wasnt around much then but it was civil I remember

[wtmusic]

4. It takes an investment of time and thought

that most DU'ers are unwilling to make.

[madfloridian]

5. I try, but no one cares what we do.

I have been trying to post issues, but they just drop.
Medicare, Jeb and his destruction of Florida, and others. I doubt you will find them. They are probably already archived.
I posted a couple today with concerns about the bashing and a candidate. They got no attention at all except someone cussed at me sort of.

I post Dean issues, but they get ignored.

There is no point in trying to get people to listen. They just don't care.

[dsc]

6. I know you have

I have seen your posts and have kicked them from time to time. Sadly they have sunk like rocks. While this current one of mine is the worst luck I have ever had I have yet to have an issue post of mine get even two dozen responses. That is pathetic.

[drfemoe]

7. If someone has a rep for

just stirring sh*t (imo) . I just (try to) boycott the thread. They don't need me there or care that I'm not there.

You made a valiant effort on another thread which has a burning icon ;) .. but answering to someone who has a well known agenda has proven to be less than productive.

Just keep posting good stuff. The cream should rise to the top.

[burr]

8. For one thing, this is the wrong forum for discussing policy details...

we have forums on education, healthcare, and of course the GD forum. I come to this forum to discuss how political candidates are doing in individual states, who Democrats are recruiting to run for open Congressional seats, or who is more likely to win in an upcoming race..like the race for Mayor of S.F..

I will discuss who wins a debate in this forum, but will discuss the points I agreed with most during the debate in the GD forum. I will discuss why Daschle needs to be replaced politically in this forum, and how he has let us down on the issues in the GD forum. I will discuss which healthcare plan I think is best in the Healthcare forum, and which plan is most popular among Democratic voters in this forum.

But your question was...Why don't we have issue posts? My answer, we do..but don't expect many responses if you post it in the wrong forum!

[dsc]

9. Funny but you didn't point that out to the person

who decried Dean supporters for not posting policy posts. Can I ask why not?

[burr]

10. I didn't see it...

and when I do, I'll need to read it.

I saw yours, I read yours, and I responded. :dunce:

[AP]

11. Ideally, candidate posts should be issue posts.

We should be supporting candidates based on their issues, and then debating their different policy stances.

[JohnKleeb]

12. heh you see AP

many people here who support other candiates like my guy's views but hes "unelectable" so they arent Kucitizens. BTW I am seeing that you like Kucinich especially after his Dieboid work I think it was, and the neat thing about DK I am seeing is that, two DUers who strongly dislike each other or at least each other candiates can really like Kucinich and find common ground, hey just saying, there's a few Kerry supporters I know who really like Kucinich, some Dean ones, etc.

[Jerseycoa]

13. Like Kucinich?

You'd have to work awfully hard not to like him. He's great.

[JohnKleeb]

14. Yeah a lots like him on the issues and all

but they got their crystal balls and hes unelectable but hey its all good. Plus IMO hes a pretty likable guy, and I've heard him talk about what he did as a kid and stuff, must have been tough honestly, and one time I think he brought up he was a newspaper kid in the early Nam years and remembers bringing newspapers to families who lost their kids.

[dsc]

15. I agree whole heartedly

but look what happens to those threads. Even if one argues that I am on so many people's ignore that no one can answer me what about Luminous X's threads? They did a little better but still haven't reached the total of the flamebait thread I sited and they now have been up over twice as long. Is he or she on everyone's ignore too?

[Sully]

16. John Kerry Internet Town Meeting

We discuss the issues there all the time. Everyone is welcome and,
unlike DU we are less strict in that we allow newbies topic start, PM and email privileges; but more strict about enforcing polite speech
(name-calling etc. is discouraged - even from Kerry supporters).

I invite anyone here to join the meeting and discuss the issues.

Also FYI, with 408 members and 5,700 posts after only 3 weeks, the mod
staff has had to enforce the board rules with only 10-15 individuals and only 2 self proclaimed provocateurs have been banned. Got a dissenting opinion? Bring it on, politely and with facts to back up your views.

One note though, if you are a Dean supporter I recommend that you be on your best behavior there because as everyone here knows, Deanies have put a lot of effort into trashing our blog, but we seem to get along fine with the other candidates' supporters.

Posts with language like: Dean is a weasel, Kerry is a wimp, Clark is insane, Bush is a chimp etc. etc. have all been removed by mods. We really want opinions and discussion on the issues, but have your points in order. There are some strong debators over there!

[dsc]

17. sounds interesting

but you forgot the link.

[Sully]

18. Right, sorry!

http://forum.johnkerry.com

[Scott Lee]

19. Good question. Notice that ADJHS is not here.

This is another chance to address issues and, lo and behold, the AntiDeans are conspicuously absent.

Why is that, do you think?