DEAN: "He may be genuinely wrong,but he is genuine"

[ModerateMiddle]

Is that our latest requirement from someone we want to be President? That they be "genuine"? Are we as a nation so weary of politi-speak that we don't care what someone is saying, so long as we believe that THEY believe it?

And, isn't that what we got with George W. Bush? So why do we want to do it again? Are we looking for our very own George W. Bush?

I read a quote from Dean on another thread and was aghast that the man would make such a comment, so I looked it up.

In 1993, he derided welfare recipients, saying if they "had any self-esteem, they'd be working." He later apologized for the remark.

Yes, he apologized, which is different than the Chimp-in-Chief. That's good. But how many apologies - how many "whoopsies!" does it take to realize that the man has loose lips and doesn't appear to be in control of his own mouth? Or is it that he simply believes he is that much better than everyone, and it sometimes just slips out?

He can apologize, although sometimes he parses his apologies, like he did on MTP when he insisted that he had NOT apologized to Bob Graham for having insinuated that Bob was not in the top-tier of candidates for President. His parsing consisted of apologizing for having said it, but not apologizing because it was a wrong statement.

Considering yellow-cake-gate, does this sound familiar?

I was a Dean supporter early on. I'm gay, so I was particularly interested in hearing from the guy who signed civil unions into law. And I was impressed early on. But I started looking more carefully when he started viciously attacking other candidates, sneeringly referring to Kerry as "the annointed one". Then came the "I suppose that's a good thing".

I started realizing that this is a man so arrogant, so certain that he is Right with a capital R that he is dismissive of any positive points the other side might make or have, and he doesn't consider just Bush and this administration to be the enemy. He considers his fellow Dems to be the enemy as well, and acts it.

http://www.cmonitor.com/stories/news/politics2003/0713_deanvermont_2003.shtml

[papau]

1. Ever met a Doctor who thought he was wrong? Dean is just a Doctor.

Has nowhere near the certainty of a surgeon.

Fellow is center-left --- and while I like Kerry - Dean is great also.

IMHO

:-)

[seeker4ever]

2. It's seems there a many who view fellow Dems as traitor's and pussy's

I'm just sayin'

[Maple]

3. You don't get to the top

in politics without making some mistakes.

And you absolutely have to have an ego.

It's a rough business, and you have to be tough.

[DrFunkenstein]

4. Hey, Check This Out

Opposition to Gay Marriage Is Declining, Study Finds

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/07/25/national/25GAYS.html

[Demobrat]

5. Personally I'd rather have a guy who shoots off his mouth

than somebody who carefully considers how everything he says is going to affect him politically. At least you know what he's really thinking.

[MercutioATC]

6. My thoughts exactly! I know where stands on the issues,

even if I don't agree with him 100% on every issue. I've never had the feeling that he was holding back or making a statement because of the effect it would have politically.

[jfxgillis]

7. Not for President ....

... The rule you propose is fine for Congress, in fact I'd almost say a requirement for a worthwhile Member of Congress.

But the words that emanate from the mouth of WHOEVER is President of the United States are too potentially important to be just "shot off."

[Jim Sagle]

10. Horseshit.

[Demobrat]

13. Especially for president.

When the president is somebody who can admit when he's wrong.

[ModerateMiddle]

14. I agree with you

Consider the crap that has come out of the Chimps mouth over the past couple of years. Calling Kim Jong Il a "pigmy" was productive. As was "Bring 'em on".

The President HAS to be able to be careful about the words he says, it's imperative.

[DrFunkenstein]

9. Especially about Asian Stock Markets

I prefer someone off the cuff, as long as its based on darn good intelligence.

[musiclawyer]

8. "He considers his fellows demos enemies as well"

That's right. Dean's appeal is to people like me, regular Joe types who would vote green or demo under normal circumstances but were just appalled at the way "Clinton's" mind was a terrible thing to waste, Gore's ineptness, and then the other high ranking democrats bending over and letting Dubya shove in his bayonet. Thousands of people DIED and are DYING because of this atrocious behavior. That's where Dean comes in. Hyper scrutinizing every word he has ever uttered, and every action he has ever undertaken means nothing to Dean converts like me. He has balls, he is smart, he knows how to pick his fights, he's clearly against the dark side and HE CAN WIN. To Dean followers its not certain that the Dinosaur Democrats are truly against the dark side. It's that simple.

[DrFunkenstein]

11. Wait...Dean Has Testicles!?!

And I was just about to turn to the dark side. It's easier, more seductive.

Good. Use your aggressive feelings, boy! Let the hate flow through you. Take your weapon! Strike me down with all your hatred, and your journey towards the dark side will be complete.

(Amazing what two seconds of Google can drag up).

PS - Nice bayonet sodomy imagery. Kudos!

[chimpymustgo]

12. He's always sneering and screaming. Turn off!

Howard Dean doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell with that nasty, arrogant demeanor. And just how does he expect to get the Democratic nomination by pissing off Democrats?

[ModerateMiddle]

15. well, he says

that he's going to go after people who haven't voted before, and lord knows there are a bunch of 'em. the demographics folks are pretty convinced that the folks who don't vote will fall into the same demographic groups as the folks who DO vote, but the Dean folks disagree.

He's running, IMO, on pure energy, and right now it's almost all negative energy against the Chimpster, which is good. How long can that kind of energy last? I don't know.

Dean is emphatically NOT my choice for President, but he is my choice over Bush, so if he gets the nomination, I'll vote for him. But I do hope he doesn't.