Dick beats out Ho Ho and gets some support

[mdmc]

http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2003/07/12/loc_oh-democratsunion12.html
Hey Dean supporters,
I'm with you, but our guy has 7% NAME RECOGNITION across the country. Wake up! There is work to do!
:dem:

[AmyStrange]

1. Not according to this poll...

not saying that I don't agree that we have more work to do, but things aren't as bad nor as dire as it seems (which also shows how varying polls can be):
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FROM: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20030712/ap_on_el_pr/politics_poll_2
4 Democrats Share Lead in National Poll

Four Democrats share the lead in a new national poll measuring support for the party's nine candidates in a presidential campaign that appears to be getting more competitive.

Dick Gephardt had the backing of 14 percent of Democrats and those who lean Democratic in the Newsweek poll released Saturday. Joe Lieberman was at 13 percent, Howard Dean 12 percent and John Kerry 10 percent.

[mdmc]

2. 12 % is NOTHING to brag about

in a NEWSWEEK poll (a poll for dems and those who lean dem - what kind of control group and poll tools were used) ? All Dem camps have tons of work to do. Dean is my guy, so my camp has the MOST work to do.
Dean supporters think that he is the front runner, that he is unstoppable. NOT TRUE.

[AmyStrange]

5. Agreed...

but none of the other candidates have much to be proud of either.

Dave (AmyStrange.com)

DU (slang/ folklore) Glossary (Dictionary): http://DUG.SeattleActivist.org/
Index of WMD Articles: http://WMD.SeattleActivist.org/

Here are some excellent resources and timelines of quotes and interviews and newspaper article quotes documenting the different things Bush and Co did and said for the last two plus years concerning the war in Iraq and WMDs (and other fun things) from the Howard Dean Website---even if you're not a Dean Fan, these are still excellent resources:

The Bush Administration And WMDs: Then And Now:
http://www.deanforamerica.com/site/PageServer?pagename=bush_wmd_summary

Niger-Uranium Timeline:
http://www.deanforamerica.com/site/PageServer?pagename=niger_timeline

Bush and WMD: Assumptions vs. Reality:
http://www.deanforamerica.com/site/DocServer/TikTok_-_Bush_-_Iraq_-_Side_by_Side.pdf?docID=781

The Bush Administration and WMD: What did they know and when did they know it?:
http://www.deanforamerica.com/site/DocServer/TikTok_-_Administration_-_Iraq_Deception.pdf?docID=762

[Nicholas_J]

3. ABC polls

ABC News/Washington Post Poll. July 9-10, 2003. N=443 Democrats and independents who lean Democratic. MoE ± 4.5. Fieldwork by TNS Intersearch.
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"If the 2004 Democratic presidential primary in your state were being held today, and the candidates were , for whom would you vote?" Names rotated

7/03
Joseph Lieberman 13
John Kerry 12
Richard Gephardt 10
Howard Dean 8
John Edwards 6
Al Sharpton 6
Carol Moseley Braun 4
Bob Graham 3
Dennis Kucinich 2
Other (vol.) 2
None (vol.) 13
Wouldn't vote (vol.) 7
No opinion 16

Lower margin of error place Dean near outside of margin of error for Kerry, and places Lieberman Clearly aheard of Kerry, Liberman beying beyond the margin of error over Dean.

[AmyStrange]

4. My poll is more recent than yours...

nah nah nah nah nah

just goes to show how unreliable polls are,

Dave (AmyStrange.com)

DU (slang/ folklore) Glossary (Dictionary): http://DUG.SeattleActivist.org/
Index of WMD Articles: http://WMD.SeattleActivist.org/

Here are some excellent resources and timelines of quotes and interviews and newspaper article quotes documenting the different things Bush and Co did and said for the last two plus years concerning the war in Iraq and WMDs (and other fun things) from the Howard Dean Website---even if you're not a Dean Fan, these are still excellent resources:

The Bush Administration And WMDs: Then And Now:
http://www.deanforamerica.com/site/PageServer?pagename=bush_wmd_summary

Niger-Uranium Timeline:
http://www.deanforamerica.com/site/PageServer?pagename=niger_timeline

Bush and WMD: Assumptions vs. Reality:
http://www.deanforamerica.com/site/DocServer/TikTok_-_Bush_-_Iraq_-_Side_by_Side.pdf?docID=781

The Bush Administration and WMD: What did they know and when did they know it?:
http://www.deanforamerica.com/site/DocServer/TikTok_-_Administration_-_Iraq_Deception.pdf?docID=762

[Nicholas_J]

6. Released Later

Both taken on July 3rd.

Yours has a rather wide marging of error (Outside of normal statistical beta's which should be below 5 percent, and 25 percent fews people polled)

[AmyStrange]

7. Read it and weep...

The date of the article is JUL-12-2003 so the poll was Taken JUL 10th and 11th not JUL-03. A week later than yours:

"The poll of 837 registered voters was taken Thursday and Friday and has an error margin of plus or minus 4 percentage points. The error margin is larger for the sample of 376 registered Democrats and those who lean Democratic."



Notice this quote:

"Bush, whose job approval rating was 55 percent in this poll, still leads the top Democrats in head-to-head matchups — by margins ranging from 8 to 15 points."