The Clark and Lieberman people are seeming more undemocratic.

[burr]

The support you give Clark and Lieberman is a great thing.
However, you guys are getting to the point
where zealotry is getting in the way of
rationality and balance. You need to understand
that when the field is whittled down you
are going to need the support of candidates
and constituents you used to clobber.

Don't try to beat the Republicans by becoming
just like them, because that is what is currently
happening.

This is Democratic Underground, not Clark or Lieberman Underground.
Stick to Clark's strong points on leadership and character. I am sure you know what they are.

[dsc]

1. Do not post crap like this

We are better than that and have a candidate who is better than that. I know why you posted this but again we are better than this.

[burr]

2. Just using another person's words to help him see the light.

Unfortunately, not everyone sees crap for crap. Also...I did not begin an attack on anyone. You are right to make your point, and I will not do this again.

[shance]

3. Hey DSC - ease up****

I appreciate where you are coming from. I am a Dean supporter as well. But whats this stuff about a high road? I dont see where the poster of this thread was taking any low road, they were making an observation. You then issued a command.

I would disagree with you and say try and be a little more supportive of fellow Deaners. If this person had really gone out on a tangent and was inappropriate that would be one thing, but they didnt and they werent. And taking the high road doesnt mean ignoring situations that may indeed have an element of truth. Alot of times taking the high road means to bring light to situations that need some exposure.

Am not sure about this case, but who knows - it could be one.

At risk of going off on my own tangent***as much as I loved Bill Clinton, I thought one of his biggest mistakes was not fighting back more and at one point taking the high road became sheer avoidance and denial on his part. Seems to me that taking the high road needs to be examined a LOT in our party. As Democrats we are prone to avoid confrontations, and Republicans are prone to INVITE them. Even when there are skirmishes in the Democratic groups, I think we have to learn to deal with them gracefully but never let any dishonesty go unmentioned. That just promotes more dishonest behavior from those engaging in it.

We also know that "our" candidate is not afraid to speak the truth, even if he comes under criticism. I dont want to start more fighting between Dems, but I am always interested in the truth.

[burr]

4. This is correct...

by walking the undiscovered low roads together, this allows all sides to explore the high roads of peaceful debate in the future.

[Bread and Circus]

5. Shance, the reason....

why people are harshing on this
guy is because he copied my thread
and put in Clark's name. It was
kind of silly, but I don't care because
we are all on the same team.

Clark, Dean, Kerry.....

Peace and Prosperity. Justice for All.
Help the little guy. That's the progressive
message.

I have had a change of heart and no matter
what I stand shoulder to shoulder with my
fellow lefties :)

I should add Kucinich as well, viva la
revolution!

[burr]

6. You mean that you will not take the low road with me?

:( I'm crushed! ;(

[shance]

7. Am with you

Thanks for your kind reply.

I think all of us liberal, conservative, moderate, (whoever really) wants what is inherently fair, just, and honest are on the same page.

I don't really consider myself to be anything other than a human being. I have to say that if I thought that the Bush Administration was actually making this country a better place and was actively doing what was fair and right, then Id be supportive of them as well. Unfortunately this is not the case.

In the end I think for those of us who are strong enough and committed enough to face whatever truth comes our way and and are willing to venture out of our box and look at the changes that can occur, we'll get out of this quagmire and be able to get back on track.

It's going to take all of us working together though, focusing on a bigger picture, and yes, even making a few sacrifices here and there. Anything in life - staying healthy, achieving whatever goals we desire, takes some sacrifice in order that we can achieve a better life for ourselves. Its no different in our community and nation at large as far as I can see.

Cheers***

[burr]

8. Say again???

Malo id ita, populam lingarum.

[Lefty48197]

9. The Clark supporters will vote DEMOCRATIC in 2004

whether Wesley wins the nomination or not. Many of the supporters of CERTAIN candidates will probably vote Green/Bush when their candidate loses the nomination. Which ones are truly loyal Democrats?

[dsc]

11. nice smear

No names, no evidence, and a weasle word. By Jove you hit the trifecta.

[burr]

12. This depends on Clark or any other nominee being a true democrat.

If they support national healthcare, a complete repeal of the Bush taxcut, and the reduction of our troop size in Iraq & Afghanistan...then we will be off to an excellent start.

[Lefty48197]

10. The Clark supporters will vote DEMOCRATIC in 2004

Ok, so I posted the %#&#@* thing twice, but I really wish everyone planned to vote for the Democrat next time.

[Ishkaboogl]

13. huh?

lieberman supporters?

[burr]

16. Isn't fightingnewdemocrat a lieberman guy? One is all you wanted, right?

And what about CMT?

What you really need to remember is most DUers are still undecided, like me. But they still have two or three favorities who they prefer among the nine candidates.

I don't have a list, but people will reveal who they lean toward when they debate.

[Aaron]

17. I didn't even think of those two - that makes 4 then I guess (n/t)

[burr]

19. and don't forget the siamese twins...

that makes 5-I guess.

[Ishkaboogl]

14. are you serious?

i haven't met a single lieberman supporter here yet. you're joking, right? i don't mean to bash, but it seems like supporters of other candidates fit the bill more than clark's and lieberman (if he even has any on the DU). clark's supporters can't be that fervent, because there is no real campaign there, at least yet. clarks supporters are just excited that they believe they have finally found a candidate that could beat bush, so the excitement stems not as much from clark as the candidate, but the real prospect of beating bush. how is that undemocratic?

seriously, this thread was posted in jest, no?

[Aaron]

15. I can think of TWO Lieberman supporters off the top of my head

And I can think of at least one other person who would probably vote for Blair and another who wants to vote for Bush, or at least he did several weeks ago. BTW none of these people are <100 posters - IIRC they each have at least 500 if not 1k+.

[Bread and Circus]

18. Hi folks :)

I want to let you know that us Clark supporters
do really like our guy in and of himself. Our
fervor does not stem just from the fact that he
can beat Bush. It stems from the fact that
this guy is the "total package". He is progressive,
intelligent, sincere, and though he has not
stated a "point by point" plan in the way
a declared candidate would, he has communicated
his feeling on the major issues. Not only that,
he displays a vision for the future of America
that we really like. You do have to some research
to find it, but it's there. To top it all off,
we feel he has led the life of an American Hero.
It may be a different path than what peace-loving
people would take because it was a military one,
but nonetheless he fought for what he believed
in and through his career performed actions which
displayed his concern for the powerless and disenfranchised.
Importantly, he also displays an incredible sense
of knowledge of how inter-related this planet is and
how important it is to form alliances and negotiate
our differences. This is in sharp contrast and offers
an alternative to the warmongering of our current
administration.

Peace and respect to all at the DU :)

[burr]

20. Wait one fucking second, you must be confused!

:wow: :wow: :wow: That's me you're describing! :wow: :wow: :wow:

[burr]

21. What the hell is happening to this message board?

I posted something once, and it comes up twice! :shrug: