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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-03 11:57 PM
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This is one of the many reasons I prefer Dean
I was at the Geagua County fair today. For those not from NE Ohio that is a rural, Republican, fairly wealthy, and quite conservative county. It has one county wide Democratic office holder (Sheriff) and not much else. I was at the Democratic booth for him and there was his stuff, Kucinich's stuff, and Kerry's stuff. So I took one flyer from the other candidates and sat down to greet people. Kucinich did pretty well with supporters there so his campaign should be happy. Dean did OK. But it is the flyers that I want to talk about.

Here in this rural, county which has an anti gay rep this is what Dean's flyers say on civil unions.

SUPPORTING VERMONT'S CIVIL UNIONS LEGISTATION FOR LESBIANS AND GAYS

"In some ways, this was a defining moment in my political career, You can always compromise when you are fighting over money, but there can never be a compromise when it comes to basic human rights. I never had the discussion with myself about whether or not this was a good idea for my political career. I knew I had to live with myself in or out of politics for the rest of my life, and that if I did not support civil rights for every American I would be just another competent manager rotating through political office, who never stood up when confronted with such a choice. I could be politically expedient or I could do what was right."

The headline is bold but not all caps on his flyer but I can't do that here so I used all caps.

In contrast this is what Kerry had on his.

PROTECT AND EXPAND CIVIL RIGHTS: John Kerry will provide leadership committed to civil rights, equal rights, and affirmative action - unlike the current Administration that does not even support a meaningful hate crimes bill. We need to finally guarentee that in America workers have the right to organize a union, women have the right to choose, and justice and opportunity belongs to everyone regardless of race, gender, or sexual orientation.

First Dean had whole sections devoted to the other issues raised in Kerry's paragraph. I do want to make that clear. But as a rural gay this contrast speaks volumes to me. Dean says he will fight for me where the fighting is hard. He will not be some fair weather friend. He also shows me the respect of telling these people, many of whom disagree on this issue, that he does believe I deserve these rights. For someone who was 25 before a national politician would even dare say gays should be given any rights this feels good. Kerry, on the other hand, has gays and lesbians as an after thought. We come at the tail end of a veritable laundry list of other things. It is easy to stand up for gay rights in MA but in Geagua county we are at the end of the list. I know this is symbolism and not substance. But Symbolism matters. I was close to tears to see that Arnold's park audience in Iowa cheer his stand on civil unions. Growing up gay in a rural area is tough. Every message we hear is that we are diseased or evil. Dean is taking on that message. That is one reason I support him in the primaries. He is doing that and no one else is.
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ErasureAcer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-03 12:07 AM
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1. Kucinich can not be stopped
Ohio's electoral votes are his, as he becomes the next president of the USA
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-03 12:10 AM
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3. again he did well there
I was somewhat surprised. Though it is fairly close to his district.
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Blue_State_Elitist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-03 12:09 AM
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2. hmm
I like Kucinich more than Dean but either would be great. I'll support DK until another dem gets the call. Anything to get rid of Biff the fratboy.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-03 12:32 AM
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10. OotF I agree
But dsc nice story. Dean has the same courage that Dennis did when he stood up for civil unions Dean, and Dennis when he stood up for the power. In this respect our candiates have much in common.
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virtualobserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-03 11:49 AM
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17. I will shed no tears....
if Kucinich gets the nomination.


Now if Lieberman gets it........
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-03 11:48 PM
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20. will you shed tears of joy I know I will
If Lieberman gets it omg. Even my moderate dem grandma says that would blow and she would be forced to vote for him.
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FreeperSlayer Donating Member (666 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-03 12:13 AM
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4. Vote Clark
Or we're fucked.
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tedoll78 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-03 12:22 AM
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7. Do you say anything else?
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KaraokeKarlton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-03 12:14 AM
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5. Touching story, dsc
It annoys me to no end when someone says that Dean hasn't really done much for gay rights. He could have chose not to sign Civil Unions, and he knew it was a huge risk that could cost him his political career...but he did the right thing. I don't think many of the others running would have signed that bill. Kucinich, yes...but the rest of them, I honestly doubt they would have taken that risk.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-03 12:25 AM
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9. actually even without civil unions
his record is awesome. He passed and signed a civil rights bill which banned discriminations in housing, jobs, education, and public accomodations. He offered benefits to domestic partners of state employees. He appointed the first openly gay Vermont House member. Those alone would make him all but unique on gay and lesbian rights.
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Boom_cha Donating Member (431 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-03 12:20 AM
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6. FYI...
The headline is bold but not all caps on his flyer but I can't do that here so I used all caps.

You can do that here. Click on the HTML lookup table link to find out how.

p.s. Good story. I'm also a Dean supporter.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-03 12:22 AM
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8. Thanks I will try that
I have webtv so it still may not work but thanks for the hint.
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KaraokeKarlton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-03 12:47 AM
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11. Yes, it will work for you. I'll tell you how to do it right here.
Okay, the forum uses UBB code. All you have to do is type in the tags for the kind of text you'd like to use.

For Bold Text you type < b > before the text you want to be bold and < / b > after the text you want to be bold. (take out the spaces, though) I only added the spaces so you could see the actual code to use...but there are NO spaces in the code at all.

You can use i instead of b if you want italics or u if you want to underline something. Hope this helps.
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KaraokeKarlton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-03 12:49 AM
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12. It's supposed to be brackets instead of < >
Not sure why it showed up differently. Oh well...you should have the idea, though.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-03 12:53 AM
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14. hmm
Edited on Mon Sep-01-03 12:54 AM by dsc
test


coolness
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-03 12:51 AM
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13. Either I am really tired
or it doesn't show up on webtv. I see just a space before the text you typed. What you did in bold showed up though as bold. btestb
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-03 01:01 AM
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15. Thanks
this is so SWEET.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-03 12:57 PM
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18. Now you will be
bolder than ever, lol. It is very helpful in making your point sometimes.
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Pavlovs DiOgie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-03 11:46 AM
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16. Bravo!
Dean gets it, and will fight for it. Nuff said.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-03 11:45 PM
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19. kick
:kick:
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ProfessorPlum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-03 07:42 AM
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21. Thanks for the story dsc
That really captures something about Dean that I noticed when I saw him speak.

He seemed happy to be able to support civil rights for minorities and gay and lesbian citizens, and women. I mean, genuinely enthused.

I don't know, it's hard to explain but so often the tone in the Democratic party feels like: Of course we support civil rights and equal rights, it's the right thing to do. But underneath that is a tone like they know that the right wing is trying to make them ashamed of that, so they don't really trumpet it.

Dean's speech felt like it was the most natural thing in the world, just common sense, and that he was proud to uphold those ideals. Really gave me a good feeling.
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