How to beat electronic voting fraud

[VoteClark]

I see a great deal of talk about the fear of electronic voting ballots that can be tampered with. I have a suggestion, vote absente. They have to take it by hand. If everyone did this they would get rid of the computer system and go back to paper ballots. I still think there is always fraud in voting no matter what though.

J4Clark

[SoCalDem]

1. The problem is.........

that in most states, the absentees are just stored and not even counted unless the election is close..I know that a lot of them in CA were never counted at all.. If they have 10,000 absentees and the winner won by 20,000, they would not even need to open them.. It would not determine a winner.. :(

[VoteClark]

2. Actually that is not really true

It is true for the federal election. But every ballot must be counted because of local elections. All city and county elections must report the exact vote of local elections. The reason that the national news does not bother is because like you said, if 95% reported and they one candidate is more then 10% ahead, it doesn't really matter. But all of them are counted. Sometimes it takes months for the finally tally, and a winner is expected to be declared ASAP.


J4Clark
PS, I really like the kittens

[OKNancy]

8. All ballots in Ca were counted

You got sucked into Republican spin. I read on the Sec. of State
( of California) website that all ballots were counted. I know because I got into this subject with some nutball on Usenet after the election.

[Mairead]

9. What a lovely group of cats you support, SCD! :-)

Apropos counting ballots...perhaps the thing to do is make sure the proportions are reversed? I.e. make sure that more ballots are absentee than not?

Because absentee ballots are the only way to have anything resembling a paper trail right now. :(

[DUreader]

3. Many absentee ballots are still scan counted, proprietary software

What is in the code of the vote counting machines?

It is a trade secret.

If you have not read the stuff yet go here

www.blackboxvoting.com

[shatoga]

4. Reality Check!

In 2000,
I got my absentee ballot on a Saturday at 11:30 AM.
We put the mail on a table as my wife and I continued to read the newspaper.
I'd noticed that absentee ballots had to be returned by mail by noon that same day. (the day I'd received my ballot)

We drove to the post office and turned the ballot in and demanded a receipt.

In following weeks republican neighbors related that they had received their absentee ballots a week before the election
and had plenty of time to mail them back.


I got the absentee ballot for a runoff election after the time to return it.

Since then, I vote in Republican primaries and
as a result;
get my absentee ballots a week sooner than Democrats who still vote in Democratic primaries.

Elections are FIXED!


Republicans are chosen as winners before the first vote is cast!

Sell-out Democrats can also be pre-chosen to win fixed elections.


We need to have Notary Publics at every polling place to document.

1. exit polls:
2. sign and swear that "I did not vote for bush"

and then the demand for a recount has documentation
to prove that Republicans have been guilty of fraud.

That is the sure way to bring down the Bush dictatorship!

Proof postive!

We can do it!

One fifth of polls as proof of the fix was in will suffice!

Proofs of the FIX at these links:

This is information worth sharing.
Inside A U.S. Election Vote Counting Program
http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0307/S00065.htm

http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/voting.shtml
How to fix an election via the backdoor

How George W. Bush Won
the 2004 Presidential Election
Purging voter lists is just the beginning: the U.S. has embraced a form of electronic voting that is unreliable, unverifiable and funded by the radical Christian right.

http://www.infernalpress.com/Columns/election.html

source:
http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/ubb/Forum6/HTML/001228.html

[VoteClark]

5. Do what I do, and don't have the problem

Go down to the court house and say. "I just found out I will not be in town on election day, can I just fill out a ballot now and hand it in." They say yes and give you a ballot. It works for me :). It must be done after the first day absentee ballots are offerd, and before election day.


J4Clark

[w4rma]

7. Okay, you tell *EVERY OTHER DEM VOTER* in the U.S. to do that

Good luck.

If the voter fraud problem isn't fixed at the source, then your one single solitary properly counted vote isn't going to change the election.

[shatoga]

6. please read the topic at link before responding

http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/ubb/Forum6/HTML/001228.html
>Two independent writers, Bev Harris of Talion.com and journalist Lynn Landes of EcoTalk.org, have investigated the voting machine companies operating in the United States and have discovered a number of political connections to the Republican Party and a well-known senator from Nebraska.<

[ex_jew]

10. The ONLY answer is statistical voting !

Yes, I mean mailing ballots ONLY to a randomly-selected subset of registered voters, and then counting their ballots by hand. There is no NEED to have everyone vote, and in fact there is no reliable way to count all those votes. If you want to continue looking for certainty through paper trails, auditing, examination of source code, be my guest. I'm just saying it's all a WASTE of TIME.