Missed votes...

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How can a candidate claim he is qualified for the Oval Office when he cannot even bother to represent his constituents in the job he has?

Gephart missed 74% of the votes in the House.

Kerry missed 54% of votes in the Senate.

[Duder]

1. They're busy campaigning

Edited to remove caption that offended.

[dsc]

3. That caption if offensive

and doesn't make Dean look good. Let's save that for Bush, shall we?

[Rocinante]

2. Is this

their overall record or over the last few months? Either way it ain't very impressive.

[sfecap]

4. It's during the 108th Congress.

This year.

[genius]

5. Dean missed his last year as governor.

What a slime. NO one else has that bad of a record.

[dsc]

6. baldly false

He did travel more than he should have but he was out of state less than 1/3 of that year (around 100 days). That is hardly missing an entire year.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

10. Let's just say that its an attack that

Let's just say that its an attack that can be easily counterattacked. When we go after Shrub in the general for his long vacations, all these candidates have this vulneribility.

[Mairead]

21. 'All'?

[diamondsoul]

22. Uh, NO, not "All"

*points down to sig* HE has a PERFECT voting record in the 108th Congress. It's why he missed the NAACP Miami Convention for which he was so dispicably slandered.

(to all, please forgive me if I come across as a little nasty today. I'm not having a great time of it.)

[sfecap]

7. Nice try.

LOL

[genius]

8. He didn't seal his records in time. The absent governor got caught.

It's in Bob Harris's comparison sheet - you know the one we've all seen. It was posted here a while back. The newspapers had to sue to get the information.

This is one of those many facts that Bush will make a big deal about. Candidates who worked are the only ones who will be able to honestly complain about all of Bush's time off.

[dsc]

9. Why don't you provide a link

I recall around 100 days of absence. That is not missing a whole year of being governor (there are over 100 weekend days in a year).

[sfecap]

11. Let's see...

I ask about congressional voting records, and you turn it into a Dean bash.

Perfect.

[Egnever]

12. The difference

As a governor you dont have to be present for votes. If the legislation passes it sits on your desk till you sign it.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

25. Bullseye

[MercutioATC]

32. Dean RESIGNED as Gov. one year before his term ended

That's quite different than "missing" his last year.

[Freddie Stubbs]

43. He did not resign

He completed his term.

[VoteClark]

13. They should resign and give the seats to Repuks???

Damned if you do and Damned if you don't!

Miss a vote, and you are not doing your job.
Miss a forum and you are not running for president.


Your solution: They should resign. Have Graham and Kerry's seats be filled by appointment by Republican Governors.

Oh, wait, no, your solution is to just have them drop out the race and hand Dean the nomination. This would be so much easier then having a field of candidates decided Democratically who should be the Democratic nomination. Kind of like the GOP way.

No Thanks! If they have to miss a few votes to defeat Bush in 2004, or hand their seats to the Republicans, that is OK with me if they miss 85% of the votes rather than the Repukes taking them and voting 100% the other way.

:kick:
J4Clark

[sfecap]

14. Kucinich has missed zero votes.

n/t

[mndemocrat_29]

15. They shouldn't have missed that many votes

They have to miss some for campaigning, but that not much (however, remember that Kerry missed some votes when he had surgery.)

[VoteClark]

16. Provide a link for this info please?

[sfecap]

17. Sure...there's lots of them.

(Or maybe I ought to just reply to you as you did to me in another thread..."You want to know, you do the research.")

Naww...

Just go to Google...

Here's one:

http://www.evote.com/index.asp?Page=/news_section/2003-05/05212003gephardt.asp

Or here:

http://www.hillnews.com/news/052003/gephardt.aspx

Now maybe you'd like to provide the link for your latest Dean allegation?

[DrFunkenstein]

18. Wait, The Guy Who Is At Summer Camp In Crawford

Is gonna bring this up? Let's take a look at all the time Bush and his administration took off in 2002 to shirk their Constitutional duties for partisan campaigning?

That dog won't hunt.

[sfecap]

19. Of course they'll bring it up...

The differernce (in their mind...) is that he is on a well deserved vacation, the others were "shirking" their duty to their constituents...

O yeah, it will come up. It already has.

[DrFunkenstein]

20. What About 2002?

And you know that Bush is not going to let his pioneers and rangers down. Bush will be everywhere except the White House in 2004.

[Shrub Wacker]

23. Take a closer look at those votes...

If you do take a closer look you will see that Kerry has mostly missed votes where his vote would not have made a difference.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

24. I'm afraid many are unwilling to take closer looks

I'm afraid many are unwilling to take closer looks, or make more than a sound bite analysis of things... I fear for our country...

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

26. I'm afraid that WE pay him $154,700 to vote for HIS constituents.

Win or lose. Get it on the record. Be counted! (By not voting, one is tacitly trying to limit one's exposure to criticism on the tough votes that are not winable)


Aren't you bothered by this indifference to the American taxpayer?

May we should pro rate by vote. :shrug:

[blm]

27. That's what the people of Vermont wondered in 2002

when their governor was off campaigning instead of overseeing Vermnont. In fact, the press there had to sue to get Dean to reveal his travel records for 2002.

[Egnever]

28. please point to one thing that was not adressed

Its a cute argument you use trying to take attention away from the fact that your war hero was awol when it was time to stand up over half of the time. But until you show me where the govenors job was not done. Your comparing apples to oranges.

Kerry missed votes. Dean got all his legislation signed. Someone didnt do thier job. Methinks it was kerry

[blm]

29. Nice try.

If Dean had nothing to hide, why does he hide his records for 10 years or wait for the courts to force him to reveal his record? Bushlite, indeed.

Kerry is running for president. Most people want that.

YOU Dean supporters are fearful of what's to come, because Dean is putiing on an act he won't be able to stick to.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

37. From the article:

Until now, Kerry has never disclosed details of this tax shelter, which utilized offshore companies registered in the Cayman Islands and a "straddle" scheme of forward contracts to buy and sell commodities, apparently worth up to $238,527.

That comes to "sealing his record" for 19 years. Nearly twice that of Dean.

This game is so stupid.

edit: add link http://www.boston.com/globe/nation/packages/kerry/061903b.shtml

[diamondsoul]

30. Frankly, I don't approve of either one.

And I don't mean to "bash" here, but it genuinely bothers me that either one would not be present to do their jobs so they could try to get a new job. That's just not how it ought to be done, and particularly not when you're responsible for speaking for thousands of people.

I don't think it's any better that Dean left legislation waiting to be signed than it that Kerry and Gephart skipped votes to try to campaign.

[George_Bonanza]

31. Well, to give Kerry credit...

He DID cancel an important health care speech in Iowa, I believe, in order to be present to vote for some kind of tax vote. I bet a large majority of his missed votes were uncontroversial, low-key ones that he could afford to miss, to serve the greater call of giving the Americans the opportunity to hear his voice and a chance to elect him as their leader. His campaign has stated if there's a crucial vote that demands his attention, he will definitely be there.

[AfricanDonkey]

33. What part about running for president did you miss? Im about 95% leaning

Dean at this point, but c'mon this is getting pathetic; stop vindictive attacks. Let Lieberman and the others attack Dean, not dignify them with a response and ESPECIALLY do not copy their tacticsAnd Dean supporters need to stop spamming the Kerry blog, jesus christ you look like children.

[genius]

34. Career over duty to the people

A man who puts aside his duties to the people who elected him governor is a man who feels his career is more important than his duty to the people who elected him. I bet they felt stupid for ever having trusted him. That's why Ben and Jerry, two of the most altruistic guys in Vermont decided to back someone else. I wonder what post-Presidency career will guide Dean (if he gets into the White House.) The only thing of which we can be certain is that if he wins, America loses. The number one problem with Bush is that he puts his post-Presidency future above his duty to the people.

[molly]

36. It's the "Dean Defense Team" in action

and it's a real turnoff.

[blm]

35. Is that what you REALLY think?

Then make a rule that says no Senator can run for President.

[DrFunkenstein]

38. Easy For Unemployed Doctors To Take Pot Shots

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[Duder]

39. Easy for constituents to feel they're not being represented

I'm not happy about my Congressman missing votes but maybe that's just me.

[DrFunkenstein]

40. Take It Up With The Federation Council

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[Duder]

41. I'll take it up in the voting booth

How many that posted on this thread live in Massachusetts or Missouri? Blm, Dr. Funk, Molly? People from these states have a right to bitch if we so choose. I think it's in the constitution somewhere. ;)

[DrFunkenstein]

42. C'mon, I'm Still Trying To Get Torrecelli Reinstated

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