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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 01:01 AM
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Kerry, Poindexter, North, Noriega, Reagan, Bush, Weld
We all have heard John Poindexter's name. He's the guy that just got canned for the terrorist gambling brainfart:

WASHINGTON -- Retired Adm. John Poindexter will resign his position at the Pentagon after the uproar over a research project he was overseeing that included a kind of futures market on political violence in the Middle East.

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In the 1980s Poindexter was national security adviser to President Reagan. He was a key figure in the 1980s Iran-Contra scandal.

http://www.newsday.com/news/politics/wire/sns-ap-terror-market-poindexter,0,7253201.story?coll=sns-ap-politics-headlines

An old Eric Alterman article provides a little background on Poindexter, who is also responsible for DARPA's Total Information Awareness brainfart:

"Oh, and guess who's in charge? John Poindexter, the man who, during the Reagan/Bush administration, claimed under oath that he approved the payoff to the Contras of the profits garnered from selling missiles to terrorists without even so much as mentioning it to President Reagan. He did this, he said at the time, 'on my own authority' in order to 'preserve deniability.'

"But Poindexter could not produce a single piece of paper to support this alarming contention. He also admitted to discussing the implementation of a 'fall guy' plan should the program ever become public, and repeatedly misled Congress about his own involvement in order to hide the illegal program. While being questioned during the Iran-Contra hearings, Poindexter helpfully explained: 'I didn't want Congress to know the details of how we were implementing the president's policy.' To prevent this, he was willing, as he put it, to substitute an 'untruth,' which he did repeatedly."

http://hughhewitt.com/past_news_links_11.02/11.20.02.Kerry_Rises.html

Moving right along memory lane:

Oliver North, who met with Noriega's representative, described the meeting in an August 23, 1986 e-mail message to Reagan national security advisor John Poindexter. "You will recall that over the years Manuel Noriega in Panama and I have developed a fairly good relationship," North writes before explaining Noriega's proposal. If U.S. officials can "help clean up his image" and lift the ban on arms sales to the Panamanian Defense Force, Noriega will "'take care of' the Sandinista leadership for us."

North tells Poindexter that Noriega can assist with sabotage against the Sandinistas, and suggests paying Noriega a million dollars -- from "Project Democracy" funds raised from the sale of U.S. arms to Iran -- for the Panamanian leader's help in destroying Nicaraguan economic installations.

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The same day Poindexter responds with an e-mail message authorizing North to meet secretly with Noriega. "I have nothing against him other than his illegal activities," Poindexter writes.

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In 1987, the Senate Subcommittee on Narcotics, Terrorism and International Operations, led by Senator John Kerry, launched an investigation of allegations arising from reports, more than a decade ago, of contra-drug links. One of the incidents examined by the "Kerry Committee" was an effort to divert drug money from a counternarcotics operation to the contra war.

On July 28, 1988, two DEA agents testified before the House Subcommittee on Crime regarding a sting operation conducted against the Medellin Cartel. The two agents said that in 1985 Oliver North had wanted to take $1.5 million in Cartel bribe money that was carried by a DEA informant and give it to the contras. DEA officials rejected the idea.

The Kerry Committee report concluded that "senior U.S. policy makers were not immune to the idea that drug money was a perfect solution to the Contras' funding problems."

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Reagan administration officials interceded on behalf of José Bueso Rosa, a Honduran general who was heavily involved with the CIA's contra operations and faced trial for his role in a massive drug shipment to the United States. In 1984 Bueso and co-conspirators hatched a plan to assassinate Honduran President Roberto Suazo Córdoba; the plot was to be financed with a $40 million cocaine shipment to the United States, which the FBI intercepted in Florida.

Declassified e-mail messages indicate that Oliver North led the behind-the-scenes effort to seek leniency for Bueso . The messages record the efforts of U.S. officials to "cabal quietly" to get Bueso off the hook, be it by "pardon, clemency, deportation, reduced sentence." Eventually they succeeded in getting Bueso a short sentence in "Club Fed," a white collar prison in Florida.

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The Kerry Committee report reviewed the case, and noted that the man Reagan officials aided was involved in a conspiracy that the Justice Department deemed the "most significant case of narco-terrorism yet discovered."

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB2/nsaebb2.htm

EVEN BEFORE THE joint Iran-Contra committees were formed, three other committees were already examining charges that Lt. Col. Oliver North's secret contra arms network was funded by illegal drug sales with the knowledge of the Central Intelligence Agency.

By far the most aggressive of the three congressional committees was John Kerry's Subcommittee on Narcotics, Terrorism and International Operations. His aggressiveness paid off, as Kerry was finding significant evidence of contra-connected drug smuggling.

BEFORE KERRY WENT public with his findings, he had attempted to get the Justice Department to act on what he considered compelling evidence of U.S. involvement in illegal activities including contra drug trafficking. On September 26, 1986, Kerry met with Assistant U.S. Attorney William Weld, the head of the Justice Department's criminal division.

Kerry handed Weld an 11-page "proffer," a sworn statement from FBI informant Wanda Palacio that directly implicated the CIA in drug trafficking. According to the minutes, Kerry asked Weld to read the statement and left the room. According to Winer, who stayed in the room with Weld, he "read about a half page and chuckled. I asked him why. He said, 'This isn't the first time today I've seen allegations about CIA agents' involvement in drugs.'

Weld never acted on the Palacio statement or any other evidence gathered by Kerry.

According to former Kerry committee counsel Jack Blum's recent testimony before the Senate Intelligence Committee, Weld not only did not investigate but put up an "absolute stone wall" between the Justice Department and the Kerry investigation. "There were stalls, there were refusals to talk to us, refusals to turn over data...Weld put a very serious block on any effort to get information."

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The techniques of cover-up are old and familiar. For the CIA-contra-cocaine connection they include the narrowly phrased question, the blind inspector, "national security," selective prosecution, and sympathetic officials and media "assets."

It may be useful to examine how public officials and covert operators collaborate to suppress such serious information.

Congressional leaders announced an investigation into North's National Security Council network by the newly formed Iran-Contra Select Committee...But from its inception, it was clear this investigation would be limited and sanitized.

For starters, the Democratic chairs of both committees--Sen. Daniel Inoue and Rep. Lee Hamilton--were falling over one another to assure the public this would not be "another Watergate." As Inoue told reporters, the country "isn't ready" for that. Having thus declared their limits, they turned to an investigator who could limit their vision.

http://www.flashpoints.net/anatomyOACoverup.htm

When congressional leaders chose the members of the elite Iran-contra committee, Kerry was left off. Those selected were consensus-politicians, not bomb-throwers.

The feeling among a disappointed Kerry and his staff was that the committee members were chosen to put a lid on things. "He was told early on they were not going to put him on it," Winer recalls. "He was too junior and too controversial . . .. They were concerned about the survival of the republic."

Even some Democrats "thought John was a little hotter than they would like," says Rosenblith.

http://www.boston.com/globe/nation/packages/kerry/062003.shtml

Note 1: William Weld would later run a ferocious, but fruitless battle for Kerry's Senate seat in 1996.

Note 2: John Poindexter is only one of the key Iran-Contra figures to make their way into the Bush administration. Let us not forget Eliot Abrams, convicted for lying to Congress under oath, only to be pardoned by Bush Sr. and hired by his son, the human memory hole.

The historical exchange between Kerry and Abrams:

Elliott Abrams: "I can say that while I have been assistant secretary, which is about 15 months, we have not received a dime from a foreign government, not a dime, from any foreign government."

Senator Kerry: " `We' being who?"

Abrams: "The United States."

Senator Kerry: "How about the contras?"

Abrams: "I don't know. But not that I am aware of and not through us. The thing is, I think I would know about it because if they went to a foreign government, a foreign government would want credit for helping the contras and they would come to us to say you want us to do this, do you, and I would know about that."

This testimony, and similar statements to a House committee, would result in Abrams pleading guilty to charges of withholding information from Congress.

http://www.boston.com/globe/nation/packages/kerry/062003.shtml
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BayCityProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 01:16 AM
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1. A real Democrat
I have not picked a candidate yet and the only thing that bothers me about Kerry is his Iraq Vote. On the Bankruptsy Bill, Iran Contra, work on the Kyoto Treaty, fighting for fair welfare, Gay rights, and so many other pillars of the Liberal movement Kerry has been there for us. The only thing keeping me from backing him right now is his Iraq vote, it really annoys me when people call him Repub lite; he is one of our finest senators. I also applaud his stand against the Pope on gay marriage.
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George_Bonanza Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 01:38 AM
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2. Well said Bay
And we all know by now that Kerry TRIED to refine the bill, but failed because of some of his party leaders caved in. All this crap about how he's a flip-flopper on this issue totally ignores his years of voicing his opinions and concerns on Iraq, about the need to disarm but not without a multilateral effort.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 10:47 AM
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9. They ignore it on purpose...
because the lie suits their political ends better. Don't expect TOO much honest contemplation from the sanctimonious contingent here.
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RevolutionStartsNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 01:43 AM
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3. I have not forgotten Poindexter
I still have my Iran Contra Trading Cards!
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 01:59 AM
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4. Way to go Kerry
Like BCP the war vote bothers me, but Kerry is a very good man. What he did with Iran Contra is in its own way, a profile in courage. Keep it up John and we may see you in the white house even though I prefer DK, Kerry is good too, and all around progressive.
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BayCityProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 02:05 AM
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5. Also
in 02 Kerry won an award from a very well respected child advocacy group I believ eit was the Childrens Defense Fund for standing up on behalf of children. He helped pass many of our current environmental protections and he organized Mass. first Earth Day. He was called the senates environmental hero by the league of conservation voters. He organized Veterans For Peace. I think this stuff needs to get out to voters who write him off based on the war vote.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 02:09 AM
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6. well you know after Kucinich I am all for the guy
He's a great guy and I think he will allow my generation in a way to experience what my parents generation did with JFK, this guy could be Camelot II, I think Kucinich would be best, but I must be realist.
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BayCityProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 02:16 AM
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7. I really like Kucinich as well.
I CANNOT stand Lieberman, and Gephardt just seems like he has already showed too much failed leadership even though his voting record is solidly liberal. Before Gephardt the Dems controled congress for 40 yrs. Edwards is a decent guy. Sharpton in my opinon has no experience and he is an attention seeker. I like Deans outspoken nature; he is a little too conservative for me though. Braun has a good platform but hasn't been attracting much attention.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 02:20 AM
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8. same thing with me and Dean
I like Kerry, because he has experience, and I think he can win. He has done a lot of good stuff and I am not gonna hate him for his war vote, because actually through their histories, Kerry has been more dovish than Dean. Kerry and Kucinich with no offense indended for Dean issues on their sites I understand more. Kerry really has it neat, it has someone who that issue is dear to them talk about it, like for instance Kerry has the state head of the AFL-CIO talk about his committment on labor.
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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 11:05 AM
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10. Kerry's Guts, Determination and Fire
Edited on Tue Aug-05-03 11:39 AM by DrFunkenstein
"When congressional leaders chose the members of the elite Iran-contra committee, Kerry was left off. Those selected were consensus-politicians, not bomb-throwers."
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Kerry is least effective in a race between someone identical to him. He is at his best when facing enormous challenges, taking down giants - like George W. Bush.
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George_Bonanza Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 11:40 AM
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11. What exactly was Iran-Contra?
Sorry, but I'm not too keen on it. It was before my time. I figure it's much more educating to discuss this here than on some website.
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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 12:11 PM
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12. Very, Very Basic Plot Summary of The Scandal
Note: This is separate from the Ollie North-Noriega and CIA/Drug Smuggler connections. Its a bit confusing. Kind of like figuring out how many ways Enron was corrupt.

1) The US provides $12 million worth of arms to Israel.

2) Israelis sell the arms to Iran, our declared enemy at the time.

3) The amount of payment, including profits, is negotiated by Israelis and Iranians.

4) Israelis transfer to the CIA the full amount of money owed to the US for the original purchase, plus transportation costs. The CIA uses this to pay back the Department of Defense.

5) The profits - estimated between $10-30 million - are deposited into Swiss bank accounts established by the Contra rebels. These funds were not touched by Americans.

Now, it is important to remember that the Vietnam-weary Congress said, in no uncertain terms, that the Reagan/Bush administration was not to continue pursuing the overthrow of the leftist Sandinista governnment.

Reagan and Bush were given "plausible deniability," that somehow these major transactions were taking place without their knowledge. Democrats, Watergate-weary, were not willing to burst that bubble.

The whole scandal was too confusing for most of the public, who came away from the whole experience thinking Oliver North looked good in a uniform.
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ProfessorPlum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 12:16 PM
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13. an excellent summary, even better conclusion
it also forced Ronnie to get on TV and admit that the sales had happened. BUT, he said, this modest arms shipment could all fit on a single airplane. So what was all of the fuss about, really?
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RevolutionStartsNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-03 01:10 AM
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16. Good Summary, Dr. Funk
Makes me nostalgic...At the time, I worked at a store that sold TVs, and I tuned every set to the hearings.

A great source for info at the time was the Christic Institute, by the way. They filed the lawsuit on behalf of Tony Avirgan and Martha Honey that provided a lot of information for John Kerry and his committee.

I remember being really pissed off that people didn't "get" Iran-Contra.
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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-03 01:28 AM
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17. If Nothing Else, I Want Kerry To Take Back "Born in the USA" From Reagan
Edited on Wed Aug-06-03 01:30 AM by DrFunkenstein
Cheap jingoism won the day back then, but paybacks can be a bitch. It's time to kick that Fortunate Son square in the ass.

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Some folks are born made to wave the flag,
Ooh, they're red, white and blue.
And when the band plays "Hail to the chief",
Ooh, they point the cannon at you, Lord,

It ain't me, it ain't me, I ain't no President's son, son.
It ain't me, it ain't me; I ain't no fortunate one, no,

Some folks are born silver spoon in hand,
Lord, don't they help themselves, oh.
But when the taxman comes to the door,
Lord, the house looks like a rummage sale, yes,

Some folks inherit star spangled eyes,
Ooh, they send you down to war, Lord,
And when you ask them, "How much should we give?"
Ooh, they only answer More! More! More!

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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-03 10:42 AM
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18. Bruce took care of that.
BTW...I've heard Bruce is a Kerry fan, too. Guys of his age know who helped save their asses from Vietnam.
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George_Bonanza Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-03 11:34 AM
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19. Need more info, Dr. Funk
The U.S. was not supposed to be in any way involved with arming Iran, right? So what did they do it for? Money? Incompetence?
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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-03 12:03 PM
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20. Sorry, Thought I Had Cleared That Up...
Edited on Wed Aug-06-03 12:03 PM by DrFunkenstein
Congress was afraid that Reagan was going to take us into another Vietnam in Latin America. People had had enough of walking around dangerous jungles under morally dubious conditions in the name of fighting The Red Menace.

Reagan - and many, many conservatives - felt that Nicaragua was the first Domino (well, second after Cuba) in Latin America. It wasn't the first time the US felt threatened by Leftist governments in Latin America. Check out the history of Guatemala in the 50's. Go to your library and check out Halberstam's brief, but excellent account in his The Fifties book.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0449909336/qid=1060188618/sr=8-2/ref=sr_8_2/103-0377255-4831836?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

Here is a list of military interventions by the US since WWII. Note the number of Latin American entries.

http://adbusters.org/magazine/39/interventions.html

In any case, after Congress told Reagan to have no involvement whatsoever in Nicaraguan affairs, Reagan covertly funded the Contra rebels with the hidden profits of of arms sold through Israel.

It was done in such a way that it could be said that there was no direct American involvement, and that Reagan and Bush could claim to have no knowledge of the sordid affair ('plausible deniability').

Obviously, there are MAJOR legal and moral issues with covertly selling WEAPONS to our explicit enemies. The second issue is Reagan's covert continuance of funding Contra rebels, not to mention that the Contras were responsible for all kinds of massacres and rapes.
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ProfessorPlum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-03 12:25 PM
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21. You know what really pisses me off?
Is that Poppy Bush essentially admitted that he was guilty of everything when he pardoned Casper Weinberger just as Walsh was subpoening his diaries.

I still can't believe the country would vote for another Bush after that.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-03 02:03 PM
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25. The press dropped the ball...
and soon after, the GOP dominated the media by pushing the "gays in the military" as an issue. Like the flag burning that kept the S&Ls off the front page. It's always some hot button issue that they hide behind, and the press cooperates with them.
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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 06:14 PM
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14. Poindexter Was Planning On Doing More Sailing Anyway
This really just takes the cake.

"Poindexter said in an electronic message to a friend, which was given to a reporter, on Wednesday night that he had been contemplating resigning for several months, to get out from under a steady stream of criticism and spend more time sailing on the Chesapeake Bay."

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/133318_poin01.html

I heard it first from the Harper's Weekly Review (highly recommended), a great compliment to the Top Ten Consevative Idiots:

http://www.harpers.org/weekly-review/

Be sure to check out their monthly index, too.

http://harpers.org/harpers-index/listing.php3
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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 11:50 PM
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15. DU Votes Poindexter The Top Conservative Idiot of The Week!
Without mentioning him by name, DU announces Poindester's brainchild as stupid idea of the year:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/top10/
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BridgeTheGap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-03 12:45 PM
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22. Still concerned about Kerry's membership in
Skull & Bones - catching major flack from people who don't want it brought up but it really bothers me. When you see the trend of what these S&B folks have been into, it's very disturbing. Kerry being a liberal does not at all run contrary to the S&B aims, as they play both sides of any fence.
S&B is a "one world government" organization and Kerry's support of Nafta & GATT falls right into line with their motives. Still, the man votes on most issues as I would want him to. If it comes down to him and Bush, I'll vote for Kerry.
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SyracuseDemocrat Donating Member (696 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-03 01:02 PM
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23. Clear something up for me...
Edited on Wed Aug-06-03 01:03 PM by SyracuseDemocrat
So former Massachusetts governor Bill Weld was an assistant U.S. attorney during the Reagan years - they are one and the same?
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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-03 01:11 PM
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24. The Weld Battle And Kerry's Character
"Prior to becoming Governor, Mr. Weld served as Assistant U.S. Attorney General in charge of the Criminal Division of the U.S. Department of Justice in Washington, D.C., emphasizing white-collar criminal investigation and prosecution. He was the United States Attorney for Massachusetts during the Reagan Administration, emphasizing public corruption prosecutions and affirmative civil litigation."

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An indication of Kerry's character:

During his celebrated acceptance speech and shortly after the bitter battle that saw Weld's team attack very personally, John Kerry rose above the storm and invited Bill Weld to join him at a local pub so that they could put the past behind them by having a beer of civility.

Six months later, Weld made a bid for the ambassadorship to Mexico-a move that unfortunately brought his political career to a screeching halt. Firmly planted in his way was an intransigent and powerful Jesse Helms, who refused to open the door for a simple hearing. Seeing the injustice, Kerry could have easily stayed in the background. Instead he stood up against the potent Helms and wholeheartedly came to the aid of Weld- his 12 million dollar foe.

http://www.americanwindsurfer.com/mag/back/issue5.5a.html

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Joe Klein describes the battle this way:

The 1996 Senate campaign between John Kerry and William Weld was the rarest of events in latter-day American politics: a civil, closely contested, intelligent, and wildly entertaining brawl. "Both candidates were incredibly popular," the Kerry consultant John Marttila said. "Both had sixty-per-cent favorable ratings, and negatives in the twenties. And they maintained their popularity throughout the race."

Both were Brahmins, but Weld, with a shock of strawberry hair and irony to burn, seemed an honorary Hibernian-once again, Kerry was faced with an opponent bound to be favored by the reportorial romantics at the Boston Globe. "We were both comers," recalls Weld, who had just been reelected governor, with seventy-one per cent of the vote. "We were both at the height of our powers. If I'd won that race, I was going to turn straight around and run for President in 2000. I think he was, too-although I guess he eventually decided that Gore had too big a head start."

The campaign began with a remarkable agreement to limit campaign spending, negotiated face to face by the two candidates in Kerry's Beacon Hill mansion. They also agreed to a series of eight debates, some of which would be Lincoln-Douglas style, with the two candidates questioning each other directly, without a mediator.

The last four debates were fabulous political theatre-two very smart men having at each other. "John's at his best under pressure, when he's being seriously challenged," Paul Nace, an old Navy friend, says. "He gets really cool, very calm. He really is a warrior-he just loves it. I took one look at him as he was walking into Faneuil Hall for one of the last debates and I thought, Bill Weld has no idea what's about to hit him."

Weld-who calls the debates a "bloody draw"-says that Kerry successfully attached him to the national Republican Party. (Weld had said some embarrassingly positive things about Newt Gingrich two years earlier.) "The turning point came when he asked me if I'd vote to keep Jesse Helms as the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. That was a killer."

I asked Weld how he responded. "I ducked it, of course," he said, with a smile. "I mean, I hated Jesse Helms. But what could I do?"

Kerry won the election by eight percentage points. "John has always been underestimated politically," Marttila says. "But that race had the quality and intensity of a Presidential campaign, and he won. I don't see how they can underestimate him anymore, but they probably will."

http://www.johnkerry.com/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=6197&security=1&news_iv_ctrl=-1
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-03 02:04 PM
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26. and Robert Mueller who was US Attorney on BCCI is now
Bush's FBI chief. No pay off there, heh?
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