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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 12:16 AM
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Why Hillary won't fold (now): She and her campaign think Obama is doomed against McCain
New York Magazine: Who’ll Stop the Pain?
Gore and Edwards may have the most party clout. But there’s only one person Hillary will finally listen to. Her name isn’t Bill.
By John Heilemann
Published Mar 28, 2008

....For the moment, none of these people, as far as I know, is advising Hillary to fold. They are not idiots and they are not blind—they can read the writing on the wall and do the math as well. But they also believe that, though Clinton’s path to the nomination has narrowed to a cliff walk, it hasn’t been barricaded. If she beats Obama in Pennsylvania, North Carolina, and Indiana, it may widen again, should the superdelegates start questioning his durability and the potency of his electoral coalition. Or Obama’s candidacy could suddenly blow up in a more spectacular fashion—over further revelations about Wright or some other political IED planted on the roadside ahead.

The question is whether any of those that Clinton trusts are willing to intercede with Hillary if the rancor of the campaign continues to escalate. Despite all the wailing of the party’s Henny Pennys, my own view is that, in the long run, Clinton’s scuffing up of Obama has so far done him more good than harm; it has toughened him, steeled him, and given him a taste, if only a taste, of what he can expect this fall. But Democrats are right to fear that Clinton may find it irresistible to turn her campaign into an exercise in nothing less (and little more) than political manslaughter against Obama. They’re especially right to be worried that she may want to fight on all summer, all the way to the Denver convention—especially with Clinton now talking openly about a floor fight over seating the disputed Florida and Michigan delegations.

Some senior members of Clinton’s campaign have no intention of sticking around if Obama is substantially ahead come June; as much as they’re devoted to their boss, they want nothing to do with a black-bag operation designed to destroy her rival, no matter what the cost. But these same people are also deeply convinced—beyond spin, beyond talking points, to their core—that Obama would be doomed against McCain. And Clinton believes this, too, which is one important reason why she persists despite odds that grow longer each passing day.

Yet, by an irony, Clinton’s grim assessment of Obama’s chances may also be the best cause for hope that she will, sometime between now and the middle of June, find it in herself to leave the stage with a modicum of grace. It may even be a reason, as Walter Mondale’s campaign manager, Bob Beckel, suggested in a column this week, that she winds up filling, against her instincts, the slot as Obama’s veep. For if HRC believes that Obama will lose in November, there can be no doubt that she’s already calculating, in the back of her head, the best way to position herself for 2012. A scorched-earth campaign against Obama is plainly not the way to do that. A classy exit, a show of unity, an act that apparently places party before self: That’s the ticket.

All of which is why party elders aren’t the last best hope for a peaceful resolution of the Obama-Clinton race. The last best hope is that Hillary will eventually come to see yielding as not merely the path to self-preservation, but also as her only route to long-range self-aggrandizement.

http://nymag.com/news/politics/powergrid/45604/
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 12:18 AM
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1. Hillary Clinton has not only lost the 2008 nomination but also any
remnant affection and respect she might have had going into future endeavors.

Her ego is sticking out the bus window a long, long way at this point, and several overpasses and tree branches lie just ahead on the road to Denver.


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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 12:27 AM
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2. I like your imagery! nt
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 12:29 AM
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4. Hi, DeepModem Mom. Thanks for putting this post up for us tonight.
It's clear and genuinely useful, in keeping with what you post on DU all the time, and maybe it will prompt some re-examination of the Clinton campaign.


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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 12:44 AM
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11. Thanks for your response, kind Sir! nt
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 12:29 AM
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3. And in addition to your analogy.... Bill has diminished his good will as well...
Bill Clinton was well respected prior to this contest, but has lost allot of his glamor due to this ugly contest. My personal view is that I just want to be shed of both the Clinton's and the Bush's and that would make me very happy.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 12:30 AM
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6. Agree, LakeSamish706 -- there have been too many people with the
same last names in the Oval Office for a long time.

Time for some fresh faces.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 12:29 AM
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5. Only Hope is Hillary will see yielding as her only route to self-aggrandizement...
How sick is that.
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enki23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 12:31 AM
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7. i've seen this posted as a pro-hillary article... is it here as well?
Edited on Sun Mar-30-08 12:32 AM by enki23
"Yet, by an irony, Clinton’s grim assessment of Obama’s chances may also be the best cause for hope that she will, sometime between now and the middle of June, find it in herself to leave the stage with a modicum of grace....All of which is why party elders aren’t the last best hope for a peaceful resolution of the Obama-Clinton race. The last best hope is that Hillary will eventually come to see yielding as not merely the path to self-preservation, but also as her only route to long-range self-aggrandizement."

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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 12:42 AM
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10. I think it's a mixture of both pro and con -- which is why I think it may have some credence.
The first part of the article indicates Obama blew Edwards's endorsement. The last part is not so kind to Hillary. These candidates, IMO, both have strengths and weaknesses, admirable traits and flaws -- as all of us do.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 12:31 AM
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8. if she persists on carrying this to denver
it could be the worse thing to happen to the party since 1968. it could be one of the most destructive acts to this country.

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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 12:35 AM
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9. I personally think that she will be cut down long before Denver... Have no way...
Edited on Sun Mar-30-08 12:36 AM by LakeSamish706
of knowing that for certain, but it just seems that as each day comes and goes, she is drooping more and more.

Edit to say:

This might be wishful thinking on my part.. Oh well.
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johnnydrama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 01:22 AM
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12. great strategy
Cut off somebody's legs and say you can run faster.

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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 01:34 AM
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13. Why would Obama be "doomed" against a 71-year-old senile man?
This is ridiculous. They're hoping to spread that meme, apparently.
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carpe diem Donating Member (769 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 02:30 AM
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14. Hillary thought she'd have the nomination
sown up by Super Tuesday and she thought the Iraq war was a good idea and she though repeating the 'sniper-fire' story would be a good thing and that the Jeremiah Wright story would sink Obama's campaign and that she was the inevitable nominee so she really didn't have to have an actual campaign strategy to win the nominating contests...Hillary and her campaign's judgement have been sorely lacking throughout this election season, why the hell should anybody give credence to what they think...it takes supreme arrogance to say that the person who is handing you your ass, can't beat the next guy...if he's such a loser, what does that say about your sorry campaign?
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 06:28 AM
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15. That's hilarious.
Edited on Sun Mar-30-08 06:30 AM by bowens43
HIllary thinks OBama can't win the GE?!?!

What hillary is doing , and it's painfully obvious to all but the most mindless hillbot , is trying to ensure that Obama loses the GE so that she can get another shot at it in 2012. Hillary will gladly sacrifice our party, our country, health care and the lives of American service men and women if it means she finally gets what is rightfully hers.

the woman is the worst kind of human being....
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Clear Blue Sky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 06:47 AM
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16. The Clinton's won't quit.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 10:15 PM
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17. Yeah, right...I believe that.
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