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CMT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 04:26 PM
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Dean/Clark ticket "within striking distance" of Bush in Arizona
A new Rocky Mountain Poll has good news for Democrats.

If a hypothetical Dean/Clark ticket went up against Bush/Cheney "the democratic ticket is already within striking distance of Bush-Cheney ticket in Arizona--50 percent to 38 percent, a 12-point spread."

Not bad at this early stage of the contest.

Bush/Cheney would beat Lieberman/Clark by 51-35.
Bush/Cheney would beat Dean/Edwards 51-35.

Among those most likely to vote it is only a 11-point edge for Bush over Dean and Clark 50/39.

Bush's approval rating is down to it 50% in Arizona with 45% disapproval.

Arizona is looking good for Democrats, imo.

AS far as the Arizona primary, Dean has a narrow lead over Clark, 29-26 percent, but among those most likely to vote Clark leads 34-27. Arizona looks to be another competitive race on the horizon.

http://www.brcpolls.com/04/RMP2004-I-01.PDF
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RevolutionStartsNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 04:28 PM
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1. "Lieberman/Clark"??
Eeek, who thought of that??
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 05:08 PM
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4. What about Clark/Dean?
Clark is leading Dean by seven points in Arizona. Seems they failed to put the strongest ticket up for a vote.
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Jack_Dawson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 05:09 PM
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5. exACTly
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 05:21 PM
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6. Another poll
Here is the poll that has Clark leading Dean

Clark is leading in Arizona 39 to 32 over Dean. Take a look: http://surveyusa.com/2004_Elections/AZ040112demprimary.pdf


Also the latest National Poll:
Dean 21% Clark 19%


National Democrats


Dean 21%
Clark 19%
Gephardt 11%
Kerry 9%
Lieberman 8%
Edwards 7%
Braun 5%
Sharpton 2%
Kucinich 1%
Not Sure 16%
RasmussenReports.com


January 14, 2003--The probability that results in Iowa will dramatically shake up the race for the Democratic Presidential nomination is confirmed by the latest Rasmussen Reports national survey.At the moment, there is a two man race between former Vermont Governor Howard Dean and retired General Wesley Clark. Dean leads the race with support from 21% of Democrats nationally while Clark is right on his heels at 19%.

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goobergunch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 06:12 PM
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8. I don't trust Survey USA (n/t)
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Leilani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 04:46 PM
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2. Looking good!
Go Clark! Go Dems!
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MoonAndSun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 04:55 PM
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3. I live in Arizona and I believe it will be very competitve.
Both Clark and Dean are polling good here and a 12 point spread in a Presidential election is very good for this state. I have very high hopes for the Dems here.
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Clark4VotingRights Donating Member (795 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 08:54 PM
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11. Thanks MoonAndSun!
Keep us posted...
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dorktv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 09:17 PM
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12. Have you been helping the party out? I keep telling people "Dean needs
a Democratic Congress you know" And we are not going to get that unless we fight for it.
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dolstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 05:59 PM
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7. Sorry, but 12 points down is NOT within striking distance
Particularly when the other side is already at 50 percent.

I also find it interesting that the pollsters didn't see how a Clark/Dean or Clark/Edwards ticket fared against Bush/Cheney.
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ginchinchili Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 06:23 PM
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9. DEAN CAN'T BEAT BUSH. NOT NOW, NOT EVER
There is no way voters in America will replace Bush with someone that has no military or foreign policy experience. We're effectively engaged in 3 complicated, nontraditional wars: Iraq, Afghanistan and the broader war on terrorism. Americans are afraid and Karl Rove and co. will stoke that fear with 200 million dollars. Dean and his shrinking numbers of supporters are just whistling past the graveyard.

On national security, while Dean was governor of Vermont the Yankee Nuclear Power Plant was rated the least secure nuclear facility in the United States. Rove will have a field day with that.

Rove will paint Dean as another New England liberal and to "prove" their point, they'll run ads showing two men walking hand in hand with the voice-over saying, "In Howard Dean's America homosexuality will be competing with our traditional American values. Howard Dean is the only governor to pass a law allowing a marriage-like union between people of the same sex. Is this the kind of America you want for your children?" Then the camera pan wide to show two children watching the gay couple.

Then they'll start showing all the clips of Dean saying unpopular, politically stupid things making them out to be worse than they really were: "Howard Dean says he knows America." Then they show the clip of Dean making the confederate flag statement. "What he doesn't seem to understand is that not all southerners think alike." Then they'll show a black business woman, a hardworking white farmer, an Asian-American chemist, etc. etc.

What will it take for the rest of the Dean supporters to wake up? Vote for Howard Dean and you'll get 4 more years of Bush, I promise you.
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Kathy in Cambridge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 07:16 PM
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10. W has "has no military or foreign policy experience"; He was a GOVERNOR
like Dean (and he really still is Governor). That is a moot point-that's why presidents have Secretaries of State and other cabinet members to advise them.

For the record I don't support Dean.

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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 09:33 PM
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13. CLARK CAN'T BEAT BUSH. NOT NOW, NOT EVER
There's no way America will elect a newly converted Democratic/General to the OO. He's got no domestic record what so ever. How on earth can he critique * on the issues.

He hasn't shown up to a debate in months.

Clark is an empty uniform. America will come to realize that soon.

You sound familiar ... I think we've met here before? :hi:

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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 12:02 AM
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14. Let's keep kicking this and try to drown out the negative threads!
Man, what a great ticket that would be!!!

:dem:
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artistaboard Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 09:32 AM
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16. Dean will lose
For all the good reasons you've given. And because his wife is not traditional "First Lady" material, as much as some admire her independence from political life. The Deans need to recognize that this campaign is not just his hobby to be tolerated by his spouse, but a very serious all-out battle for the country. So far, it's a losing team.
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carpetbagger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 12:20 AM
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15. Dean thinks Clark's a republican. That puts and end to that.
I'd like to see Clark on the top of one of those. Bet it would do even better yet.

BTW, Bentsen/Dukakis would have won in 1988.
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