Dean goes from Harlem to Maidstone for lunch?

[floridaguy]

I was wondering if Howard Dean and Al Gore went to the Maidstone Club after their staged endorsement in Harlem. Harlem would be the district of Charlie Rangel, who has lived and worked for the people of Harlem his whole life. By the way, he's endorsed Wesley Clark, and by the way, Gore didn't have the class to notifiy Rangel he was coming to his district to make the announcement. Protocol is far less important than politics, right Al?

For those of you not familiar with the Maidstone Club, it's an all-whites club on Long Island reserved for the likes of the Dean family. A socialite recently bragged about having lunch with Mrs. Dean (mom) last week. Howard Dean was the keynote speaker there earlier this year.

When singer Diana Ross married Maidstone member Arne Ness, in 1985, the president of the club was asked if Diana Ross was going to become the first black member. "I have absolutely no idea who Diana Ross is, the president, an investment banker, snapped. Arne Ness subsequently resigned from the club.

The Maidstone Club is also infamously touchy about who plays golf on their luxurious links. Legend has is that in the 1960's when through some unavoidable circumstance New York State Senator Jacob Javits played on their course, the grass turned brown wherever he stepped.

Is this really something Democratic voters can condone? Not me.

[dave29]

1. you know, I was wondering that too

but then I remembered they went directly to Iowa to campaign to take our country back from the special interests in Washington that are so polluting our system.

[LuminousX]

2. Maidstone...

Maidstone's first professional golfer was African-American.

Google Maidstone Club + racism ... count the hits.
Google Bob Jones University + racism ... count the hits.

http://www.googlefight.com/cgi-bin/compare.pl?q1=maidstone+club+racism&q2=bob+jones+university+racism&B1=Make+a+fight%21&compare=1&langue=us

[KittyWampus]

10. I Live In East Hampton- Maidstone Does NOT Accept Blacks

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[Rose Siding]

3. Notify Rangel?

Unless there's some kind on turf/gangland protocol it would have been terribly inappropriate for Gore to wave his endorsement in front of another candidate's supporter before the appearance.

Regarding an "all white" club, I can assure you that neither Gore nor Dean would support any such policy and if you know different, please supply some link or source.

[Jerseycoa]

9. This is an old story

I'm sure no news to Rangel. I am just as sure Dean knows what the racial policy of the Maidstone Club is, since his family has belonged to it all of his life. However, my understanding is he himself is not a member of the Maidstone Club.

[Kolesar]

4. I wa-wa-wa-wa-wonder

Are you a democratic voter?
"Is this really something Democratic voters can condone? Not me."
I've been reading your other posts.

[floridaguy]

5. Removal of Bush is my number one priority

For anyone wondering . . .

I am a card-carrying member of the Democratic Party.
I recently attended the FDP state convention as a delegate, and
I am an avid supporter of Wesley Clark for President.

After examinging the other candidates of the Democratic party, I became depressed, because I felt there was no way that any of the candidates could beat Bush.

When Wesley Clark entered the race . . I saw some light at the end of the tunnel.

I am not a fan Howard Dean, mainly because IMHO he doesn't have half the chance to beat Bush that Clark does.

My goal is removal of Bush . . . and I am quite sure a lot of people are not seeing the forest, because of the trees.

Please reconsider who is the most "electable" candidate.

[Larkspur]

6. I'm no fan of Clark because he is

1) a civilian political neophyte,
2) is a poor campaigner who will get steamrolled by Bush-Rove next year due to him taking FEC matching funds,
3) has no experience in elected civilian office
4) made campaign crippling tactical mistakes, like entering the Dem Primary race late, pulling out of Iowa and losing any chance at getting the AFSCME endorsement which went to Dean, flip-flopping on how he'd vote on the IWR which cost him any hope of cracking Dean's solid anti-Iraq war support base
5) wasn't a registered Democrat before entering the Dem nomination and his recent support of Bush & Co in 2001 convinces me that he is a doppleganger for the Repukes or the Al From side of the DLC
6) can't fire up the Dem base, like Dean can

[Kolesar]

7. Nice six point summary

My point was that the original poster brought nothing to this forum but a tepid attack on candidate Dean and nothing to make us think his candidate was better. All Negative!

I especially agree with your (1) and (3). I don't want to take a chance on a candidate shooting for one out of one in electoral contests. That would be a mega-gargantuan humongous risk.

[floridaguy]

14. Character will count in November!

Apparently, it doesn't seem to be important that the family of the person we want to nominate as our next President are life-long members of an all-whites club where he appeared as the keynote speaker just this year. . and

Apparently, it doesn't seem important that a month after Howard Dean walked into his draft board with his back x-rays showing a spinal problem he hit the slopes in Vermont . . . and

Apparently, it doesn't seem to matter that he lied about his brother being a POW. . and so on and so on . .

Since the GOP will take every opportunity to question the character of the Democratic candidate, we must make sure that the candidate facing George Bush can take the heat.

Howard Dean can't and Wesley Clark can . . period.

PS - The "positive" part here is that Democrats will see the light, nominate Wesley Clark, and we will kick George Bush's a-s!

[Metrix]

8. Did Dean fall far from the tree?

September 15, 2003
Plimpton's Presidential Past-times
Today's NY Post reports that "literary lion" George Plimpton has revealed "why he was forced out of two prestigious private clubs in the Hamptons." He tells Avenue mag "his exile from the inner sanctums was spearheaded" by Howard Dean's Republican father. Of the elder Dean, Plimpton says, "He was a man with sort of a stump leg who deeply wanted to be of the Maidstone. Oddly, the son wants to be president of the United States."

[LuminousX]

11. Talk to the Maidstone Public Relations office regarding this

If they are exclusionary beyond all belief, then get the NAACP to rally against this bastion of hater and racism. I think you'll find that nothing in their charter bans African-Americans, though at one point in time it did ban Jews.

Am I saying they are open and welcoming? No. But let's come up with something more recent. In fact, let's come up with another article altogether.

[DoveTurnedHawk]

12. Do You Understand the Difference Between De Jure and De Facto?

All that matters is whether or not Maidstone bars blacks from entering as a matter of practice. Whether or not it's in their charter is irrelevant.

Dean was in fact a speaker at Maidstone relatively recently. It's one of the reasons that, IMO, he has a tin ear on issues of race.

DTH

[Duder]

13. I understand...

Maidstone will bar someone for trimming their hedge wrong.

I understand...

Jackie O's childhood was spent at Maidstone and that Chevy Chase is a member.

I understand...

Rangel Carries Clark's Water for Clinton

[Jerseycoa]

15. I have noticed

The Black Commentator is often called up whenever Dean and African Americans are on the same page. Just remarking.