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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-04 12:31 AM
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ALERT-NY cops have tv cams in their helmets taking pics of you going to
central recording and watching headquarters - meaning they'll have
permanenet record and they'll try to identify you...wear big sunglasses, scarves over face,,,,,,don't let em identify you...
they'll use it for identifying getting on airplanes etc...yup
they have that equipment..that recognizes points of the bone structure etc...

supposedly they have something also that can throw a shock like a net
over 500 people, an area of crowd, instead of one at a time...only thing I can think of would be to wear some kind of rubber vest..

not your friendly neighborhood cop you'll be dealing with if you're going to RNC....

Cheezus...BE CAREFUL GUYS & SAFE.

If anybody else has any word on what else they have, please post
and suggestions to avoid the injury of what they have...

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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-04 12:36 AM
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1. Well won't the cops look silly...................
if everybody does the sensible thing and just lies flat in the streets in a massive act of passive civil disobedience. Do not resist. Just go limp, and if they get brutal, the cameras will show THAT. Time to take a few pointers from the Quakers..........nonviolence is the word of the day. Doesn't mean you can't totally screw up the city, either. On a truly massive scale, they would run out of cops to arrest protesters, vehicles to transport, and jail space to hold people.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-04 12:37 AM
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2. Could call it the "Million Liberals' Lie-In" n/t
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-04 12:47 AM
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3. Kestrel - I dont know- I was in Savannah which was different - they
had open spaces...it was more country than city, so they had jeeps
humvees, tanks, places, streets blocked off with barbed wire, pens with bars that they built and they brought in State guard and
Contractors., federal vans..inotherwords some of the mercenaries like they use in Iraq....more cops than people - it was surreal..

I cant imagine that they'll have all the jeeps, humvees, and vans in
NY - where would they park them, but they'll have the barbed wire...
and pens..

Tv showed tonight the cops helmets with the little hole dug out for
the camera...it would be funny if it wasn't not funny....:) and the
operations room where all the tv's and recording stuff are..

Jesus Christ. Can you say police state?

At least a lie-in is non violent...but you gotta look around and see
if they're gonna use horses...

God bless and best of luck to all.
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necso Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-04 01:03 AM
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4. I see...
Considering that covering one's face is seen as a provocation and a sign of bad intentions by the authorities, have you fully considered what you are suggesting?

How do you expect this to be interpreted by the media and the viewing public?

Just what does a peaceful protestor have to hide?

And exactly where are you going with this?

As much as I respect the people going to protest in NY and their right to do so, I would hate to see to see civil disruption handing the election to the incumbent.

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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-04 01:37 AM
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5. I agree but at least big sunglasses...
for self protection of not being identified when they use the face
screening machines at airports and sporting events, which they have
used already in some places....what they;re doing is making a database
of people...

It's a provocation?..what the hell is it when the cops show up with helmets with shields that cover their faces, batons, sprays, those shock things, and rubber bullets that do a lot of damage?

Sorry, I'm just an old person who remembers we used to have a first
and fourth amendment and the right to peacefully protest without having life and limb threatened.

I'm not for violence, but I'm not for making it easy for them to identify you and use against you for the rest of your life, either.



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necso Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-04 01:56 AM
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6. Aaah,
Having certain personal items in one's pockets or pack to deal with glare from the sun, weather and other unfortuitous events is certainly wise.

Of course, one would only use such things as circumstances dictate.

A large handkerchief (to wipe one's brow), good earplugs (for noise), sunglasses and a bottle of water would not be amiss. Perhaps rain will even threaten. If, perchance, one's spare glasses were sports goggles or the like, well, then, this is just happenstance.

But provoking the authorities, I would think, might work against one's interests. (Indeed, any violence might do so.) Sadly, it is the authorities' view of what constitutes provocation that matters.

Best,

necso.

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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-04 02:10 AM
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7. With any luck
the NYC cops are going to be so mad at Bloomberg that they'll just
stand by and not bother anydody...it's the Feds and the contractors that people have to worry about.

And a camera to photograph them wouldn't hurt either, because no one
outside of Savannah knew martial law was in force there.
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necso Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-04 02:27 AM
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8. Well of course,
the very fine and courageous NYC police force will be worried about terrorists and anarchists. They are, after all, responsible for maintaining order and ensuring the safety of our President (ouch).

I would think that due to national security concerns that other authorities might have a very strong voice in what measures are taken.

Cameras of all kinds, particularly video cameras, would be a very good idea. I commend your foresight.

Personally, I would very much like to see a standard for peaceful demonstration arise.

Perhaps you might be convinced to think about this idea?

Circumstances dictate that I am unable to go to New York to protest, but I do very much wish the best possible outcome.

My best wishes,

necso.
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-04 02:45 AM
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9. A Preview of Martial Law In America
MY SUMMER VACATION AT G8 WITH PLUTO IN SAGITTARIUS

by Pallas180


Last Saturday night, June 5, 2004 a friend and I arrived in Savannah on our way to Florida, unaware of the G8 conference taking place in the vicinity or that Sonny Perdue, the governor of Georgia had declared martial law for six counties including Savannah and Sea Island which is about 60 miles away and where dimson and the G8 are having their meeting. ( I don't think the rest of America knew that Georgia was under martial law either) .


Although the dignitaries are going to Sea Island, many of the bureaucrats accompanying the leaders were booked into hotels in the Historic Section on the river which is the charming area tourists visit. It's usually booked up every weekend and this weekend was no exception, but more about that later.


We went to the Bennigan restaurant next to the hotel for dinner and realized that many of the patrons were not the usual tourists. It wasn't difficult to pick out plain clothes cops, feds, and even a likely couple of "contractors" with Irish brogue sitting around the bar, mostly displaying sullen faces with blank eyed stares, which occasionally and sneakily fell on us. When we left the restaurant we noticed the hotel next to ours had police cars with names of at least six different municipalities, towns, and counties parked outside.


Now you would think knowing that I would have checked the cities we were stopping over in, but you would have thought wrong. I didn't.

Nevertheless, blissfully unaware of what lay ahead, on Saturday morning we headed down to the historic area ourselves. On the way I saw the Georgia National Guard patrolling the streets. I saw humvees all over town. I saw small tanks. I saw jeeps. I saw young kids wearing their Georgia National Guard camouflage outfits and very nervous serious faces. And I thought of Kent State. I saw black metal cages the cops and the guard were putting together. Pens. Not wooden saw horses that say 'don't cross this line'but PENS to hold people in ! Uniforms and army and cops were all over with guns tied to their legs like gunfighters.


I saw a very small Coast Guard boat on the river, more like a rubber raft with two machine guns, one at either end of the boat, riding up the river, and harassing a tourist paddle boat. . And though I previously had thought people who talk about black helicopters should be wearing tin hats, sure enough, I saw two fly over our hotel. If tourists and residents weren't alarmed before, they had to be at these sights, as I was. A person quickly becomes imprinted with a siege mentality.


And what was all this for? The local paper had been publishing that there were going to be thousands of protesters and windows might be smashed and they could expect violence.


The organized protesters, mostly residents from the areas (represented by the activist but peaceful Mars in the Libra 4th house and some labor unions had obtained permits and printed their schedule of speakers and affirmed they meant this to be peaceful protest against violations of free speech and the G-8 actions.


The "townies" told me police had announced anyone carrying a sign will be arrested, no bail and that on Monday they will be stopping cars and searching them and can do so without any reason. Of course they can. But we will be leaving on Sunday before we can be subjected to this indignity.


There are 25,000 cops in the town of 20,000 residents.


There are 25,000 cops, sherriffs, troopers, correction officers on loan, FBI agents, and other federal govt. people driving white vans with U.S. govt. plates who have descended on this town.

Savannah makes it's money through the historic old houses dating from the 1700's bringing tourism.

At first Savannah thought it would be wonderful to have the G 8 meeting nearby. But on this day , certainly the townspeople were doing a quite a lot of rethinking this idea.

The town was almost empty of tourists except for some 50 or so brave or ignorant souls. Empty streets means you're not making lots of money and not feeling terribly cheerful about it. The townspeople of Savannah are feeling deceived and wondering why the media intimated there was going to be "terra" and why the military was putting on such a scary and heavy handed show.


We walked around the old city and stopped to listen to an outdoor concert which was interrupted by a caravan of 10 or more police cars followed by a government van with sirens blaring , slowly circling the square, twice, where we and some thirty other tourists sat listening to the concert. The noise of the sirens ever growing closer and louder caused everyone to look and finally stand up to see what had happened. Nothing had happened. Two young guardsmen with walkie-talkies and batons marched around the square eyeing the tourists. This was a practice exercise in instilling fear. Nazi Germany replayed.


I now understand the expression "I'm freaked." Anger vies with revulsion within me at what this government is doing and what I am seeing. POLICE STATE. If I were younger and healthier I would protest with them. You can feel it. The cops are looking to make trouble....where there is none. And they will. They are too dense to understand that those young people who announced they will be protesting are protesting for them too.


I saw a group of young 20 to 30 year olds eating at an outdoor restaurant. The cops and guard cordoned off the street with police cars and humvees and stood around about 15 thick in a bunch in front of the diners looking at them. I don't know if these kids knew they were surrounded on the other sides also, but they sat there quietly eating at their outside tables. Nothing about them said they were protesters. They might have been or might not but they had the misfortune to look young in a town taken over by martial law. They must have been in fear. There was not a smile to be seen. But they didn't look up or acknowledge the show of force. What bravery and absolute guts. Mars in Libra.


Meanwhile, this administration arranged that all 2400 reporters from all over the world would have to stay in Savannah while the meetings went on 60 miles away. The government people also reserved entire blocks of hotels in the downtown district - and then canceled the rooms at the beginning of the weekend without any remuneration to the hotels. . Massive deception. It was decided if the government booked the hotels the protesters wouldn't be able to and would have no place to stay. . "Lack of people, lack of money."


I'd think the events of the last couple of days would indicate that not many Savannahians are going to be voting for dimson after this.

Foreign press may report what really went on, but the home press is going to very "circumspect".


The town was shocked at the military and government actions but they'll be very quiet about it.


Yhis country has become a populace victimized; stripped of the civil liberties that our government espouses it is spreading around the world, a gulag, under an administration which acts as occupiers in its own country and under the guise of protecting the "homeland" is ready and able to commit violence against its own people.


This country is presently in the control of the military.


I never in my life thought I would see in America what I have seen happening in the town of Savannah. It made me angry at that Governor, and the police and plainclothes people. They are giving press releases that they are there to protect the people of that town, and have convinced some townies of that, while others have just left town or closed business for the week. It sure didn't look to me as if they were there to protect people. Quite the opposite. Their function appeared to be to instill fear and intimidate the populace. They succeeded.


We left on Sunday, and were followed by a Sheriff's white truck which pulled up close in back of us and followed us for a way. I could see the uniformed driver talking on his phone as he followed our car. I knew he was checking our plate with his HQ. We must have passed the test. He put the phone down and peeled off .


I've never seen my government act this way, not even immediately after 9/11 in New York City.


By Tuesday, the local paper reported there had been a couple of marches and a gathering at the designated site, lovely old Forsyth Park. 100 protestors showed up in total.


Reports of non happenings appeared in the local paper. 25 "activists" made an unscheduled march and were immediately surrounded by troops in riot gear, who later said they were sure they were going to make trouble. http://www.savannahnow.com/stories/060804/2222812.shtml


"Free speech and the Right to Assemble" seem to have slipped through the cracks along with the Constitution of the United States.


The British end every speech with "God Save Our King/Queen"


I'm moved to end with "God Save Our Country From Those Who Are Sworn To Protect It Because They Are Destroying Everything This Country Is Supposed To Represent.





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necso Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-04 03:08 AM
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10. Indeed,
But I am very much concerned about whether or not this will continue on after the next election.

Violence in NYC, as misrepresented by media, might go a long way in the direction of further suppressing our liberties.

Believe me, I am well aware of the course of events... I merely wish that violence is not the recourse taken in NYC -- or thereafter.

From a historical perspective (say 1860), these things have a way of getting out of hand.

Again, I plead for a statement of peaceful protest standards, to forestall the ugliness that might follow, both in NYC and later.

Your servant,

necso.

PS: Nice Post!
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fudge stripe cookays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-04 07:19 AM
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11. Thanks for the interesting post, pallas.
I hadn't heard anyone's adventures in Savannah, and was wondering how it went down there during all this.

FSC
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KurtNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-04 08:32 AM
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12. Driver's license pics, fingerprints...
they have that stuff on you already and real-time optical biometric systems are way, way overrated (like all techonology).

I believe the cameras relaying images from police helmets are for them to be able to see what officers are confronting in real-time and to be able to coordinate a response without relying on verbal (walkie talkie) communication. Like most new technology, it probably won't work well but regardless, I don't think it is anything to be paranoid about.

They have been photographing people at demonstrations systematically for decades (that way, for example, if you run against a republican 33 years from now and Jane Fonda was three rows behind you, they can send the picture to Matt Drudge).

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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-04 11:15 AM
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13. Thanks Kurt for naming "real-time optical biometric" systems
I don't always remember the name of their Orewellian inventions but
I do get the essence of how they work.

As a New Yorker, you know , I'm sure, that they've used this "biometric optical system" at Yankee games and
compared it to their database of "criminals" and arrested
people at the game. Apparently it works enough of the time.

My suggestion for "incognito" headware and sunglasses is simply to make sure friends on DU don't get onto their database.

Most people, who have never had any trouble with the law or never been in the army DO NOT have their fingerprints on file....but as you
correctly point out, the majority do have their pictures on file with
motor vehicle. And that may be how protesters from previous peaceful
marches are getting visits from fib and s.s. at their home addresses.

We dont have swivel rights anymore...we have an (anti)-patriot act.

The optical recognition would just have to run the protest picture of
you against the motor vehicle pic for recognition....then the gestapo
have your name and address, and you are suddenly on a no-fly list and who knows what other list.

And sweeties, to use the word paranoid in this case is not only meant
to denigrate, but condescending.

With more than a decade's worth of working as an investigator and having run into the types at justice, fib, state troopers, local cops
I have a good feel for their mentality -

all who want to poo-poo go ahead. For the rest of you wonderful DU'ers , hey protect yourself from "real time optical biometric" recognition systems.

Thanks for reading.

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nodehopper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-04 12:08 PM
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14. In NYC it is illegal for more that 3 ppl to cover up their faces
they have their "sound" crowd control mechanism in place. earplugs would be a good idea.
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-04 04:08 PM
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15. illegal to cover up your faces? are they gonna arrest the cops? bwaa
are you telling me martial law has been declared in New York?

How can they tell you what to wear?

civil rights is now swivel rights -

fuck them
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