R21 Torture Techniques Taught in Iraq - e mail this to yr local paper

[Pallas180]

Please read this article from the UK Guardian re: R21 torture
techniques Brits taught to our special forces.Dont tell me Rumsfeld didnt know about this. He continues to lie to Congress, the American people and the world.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1212197,00.html

Please make it public.
The neo-cons have to be routed out of our government.
We dont even recognize America anymore!

[Fridays Child]

1. B*sh is directly responsible for this aspect of it...

"The feeling among US soldiers I've spoken to in the last week is also that 'the gloves are off'. Many of them still think they are dealing with people responsible for 9/11"

[Pallas180]

2. E mail the story to your local paper and cable show - get the story out

Rumsfeld knew . And lied. And so did that General .

They all should go.

[the Kelly Gang]

3. the greatest traitors in the USA today are the neo-con fascists

[punpirate]

4. The salient point in this is that...

... the soldiers blamed the Iraqis for 9/11. Bush, Rice, Powell, Rumsfeld, Feith, Perle, Wolfowitz, Cheney, all encouraged this warped and fallacious view in the public and the troops.

The soldier is wrong. She should be punished for carrying out illegal orders. Her mother whines that it was someone else's fault, but the pictures make it clear that her daughter was enjoying her role a bit too much. She clearly wasn't coerced into doing what she did. She had a choice to disobey an illegal order or participate in actions which were clearly illegal.

But, If Lynndie England is guilty, so are Bush, Rice, Powell, Rumsfeld, Feith, Perle, Wolfowitz and Cheney. They are the leaders; they are the enablers of this abomination. They are guilty.

[Pallas180]

5. Pleasse READ the UK GUARDIAN LINK - you dont get it

those soldiers were taught those methods - Rumsfeld is saying they're
bad and they went wild. ABSOLUTE BS. He knows damn well about this
R21 torture method being used in ALL THE PRISONS in Iraq.

YOU MISSED THE SALIENT POINT.

which is: those that learned r 21 taught it to all the soldiers they came in contact with as the correct method of interrogation- and don't tell me that Rumsfeld didnt know

[punpirate]

6. I did read it, and I do get the point.

But, the soldiers are not victims. They are oppressors. The proof of that is that at least one of them said, no, no more, and reported the incidents.

Let me inform you about the UCMJ. It is there that is clearly written that a soldier has the obligation to refuse to obey an illegal order. All soldiers are taught this as a part of their general orders.

I was taught this in basic training in 1967, and I doubt that it's any different now.

These soldiers chose to behave inhumanely. They were encouraged to do so by the public pronouncements of our leaders. Our leaders are just as culpable as these soldiers. Read what I said, not what you imagined I said.

Cheers.

[Pallas180]

7. " Our Leaders Are Just As Culpable" - Agreed !

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[punpirate]

9. On that point, we are of one mind....

Bush doesn't get away with ignorance here.

[ConcernedCanuk]

8. "We don't even recognize America anymore!" - ahhh, but the world does

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From the treatment of the natives

To the import and treatment of the slaves

The treatment of USA's poor, homeless, and the VETERANS no less

Nothing much has changed

America has always been about $$$$$$

Humanity was never part of the equation

(sigh)

[Pallas180]

10. General Miller of Gitmo recommended all prisons in Iraq use same

"interrogation" techniques used in Gitmo since they were so successful, and that was implemented with the results we now know.

This is the same general who has just been moved from Gitmo and named overseer of the Iraqi prisons (to "straighten" them out).

As an aside, we now know why there were so many suicides and attempted suicides at Gitmo.

this is the sickest administration and pentagon since Hitler's crew, and I don't say that lightly.

[dArKeR]

11. US forces taught torture techniques - MG

They called it "bitch in a box". On a baking hot day last August, a black Mercedes sedan pulled up at the United States army base in Ramadi and two US interrogators dragged an Iraqi man out of the boot. He was gasping for air.

"They kind of had to prop him up to carry him in. He looked like he had been there for a while," said a US soldier who witnessed the Iraqi's arrival in the custody of American interrogators wearing desert camouflage but no identifying insignia.

Such coercive interrogation techniques are widespread in Iraq. The Guardian has learned of ordinary soldiers who were instructed to use sleep deprivation on prisoners, and taught to perform mock executions.

http://www.mg.co.za/Content/l3.asp?ao=66283