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Robert Oak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 03:46 PM
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Please call your Senators to stop H-1B VISA increase
Call Both your Senators Tollfree 1-877-762-8762 and just
ask for your Senator's office to give your comments.

The H-1B VISA is a way for companies to bring in foreigners, pay them much less than Americans, fire the American who is doing the job
and sometimes even have the American train them before being fired.

It's a serious VISA abuse issue to increase the labor supply and reduce
wages and opportunities for Americans.

Right now IT unemployment far exceeds the national level and there are many qualified engineers with Masters and PhD's out of work.

Please visit my URLs for more info on how big business manipulates
the immigration and VISA policies for cheap unfettered labor that
displaces Americans.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 03:50 PM
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1. ok, so where is your url?
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Robert Oak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 04:34 PM
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5. oops, my sig is turned off, here:
http://www.noslaves.com

and

http://forum.noslaves.com

H-1B Visa stats in immigration links as well as forum section.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 03:50 PM
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2. They're like indentured servants-status here is hostage to the Corp.
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Robert Oak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 04:41 PM
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8. true, the VISA is controlled by the corporation
they cannot quit their job without risk of being sent back,
they cannot complain for fear of being sent back.
They cannot refuse to work 100 hrs a work, salaries or risk being sent back.

On top of the other issues it also undermines worker rights.
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lil-petunia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 03:51 PM
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3. I'm afraid I disagree
Immigration, especially of highly trained persons is a boon to our economy. All serious economic studies have shown that the advantages, income, and jobs generated by a loose immigration policy are huge.
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Robert Oak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 04:37 PM
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6. not what is happening today
Edited on Mon Nov-15-04 04:44 PM by Robert Oak
Instead of scouting the cream of the world to come to the states...

it's a major scam, with India #1 grabbing the VISAS.

india now has a 60% fraud rate going on with credentials and
it's a rackett there, all "insider trading" to get a visa.

The whole idea of getting the cream is gone.
They do not enforce the law and so on.

It was supposed to be about getting in experts...instead it's being used to displace Americans, increase the labor pool, depress wages
and turn an area of expertise into a 3rd world commodity.

It also goes to National security...by wiping out the engineering careers this means the US will lose it's expertise base.

Now isn't that swell when it comes to think like cybersecurity and
communication systems and so on. Something goes wrong...gee,
India will fix it...well, India is not America and doesn't necessarily have our interests, nor our sense of nationality.

To make matters worse, they are displacing the cream in the states.

For example, AT&T Labs (remember bell labs) has laid off many of their
top tier researchers, some with "fellows" status.

Another example is Microsoft research, an elite R&D lab...
they are now moving many of the projects to China, especially speech
recognition.

If it was the "cream" enforced, we wouldn't be upset.
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GetTheRightVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 01:14 AM
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9. I disagree with you big time

You have do ideal what these Visa are doing to the IT sector of our economy. It is destoring it and this country does not need the extra I/T from over seas. I know so many unemployeed programmers while we have Indians, etc. being shipped in by the thousands. We have no jobs for Americans so we should not be bringing in people from other countries which keeps our own people unemployed. You are so wrong about it.
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 04:03 PM
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4. Why is it more important that an American be employed
than an immigrant be employed? As far as I'm concerned, it isn't.
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Robert Oak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 04:39 PM
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7. when you can't find a job and somebody is brought in
Edited on Mon Nov-15-04 04:41 PM by Robert Oak
with less skills for 50% of your pay and it's demanded you train
that person and then are fired once you transfer your skills...

you get back to me. Get back to me when your middle class lifestyle
is decimated and you can't pay the mortgage and have to declare bankruptcy...because your career that you paid for, worked on an invested just became a 3rd world paying position.

And don't even think if you go to MIT and get a Masters degree you're safe...because today you are not.

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GetTheRightVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 01:18 AM
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10. You may not like it, but in American

the citizen born here, lives here, does not send money out of the economy, does not bad mouth it while living off it, will die for her in time of war, there are many reasons why Americans should come first. What is wrong with you that you do not see the million of reasons why you take care of your own first, then help out others.
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GetTheRightVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 01:24 AM
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11. I am a programmer and this my only home
Edited on Sun Nov-21-04 01:26 AM by GetTheRightVote
why should I be kicked out of my only home ?
I have no desire to leave or go back to another home like many of the internationals do. There is no other country that I call home or would put above this country, home of my birth. There is a connection with your birth place that remains with you for your life time. I am sick of seeing American programmers without a job while other people from other countries take them away. Anyone who thinks this is not a problem is not socially or economcially consious of what is happening in this country. We do not have enough jobs for our own native born people. It is wrong to put them out of work for people who were not born here, it is straight out wrong. It is also one of the reasons why our economy is going down hill quickly right now. They use secret methods of sending the money home so that even the banks in this country are getting pretty upset with the whole deal. And there are many more reasons but I am sick of the subject already. When an American does not want to take care of another American I have a real problem with that person. It just makes me sick to my stomach. It is wrong and unjust !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
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