Arrgh! The damn anarchists (Black Bloc) are taking over Bush protest!

[DagmarK]

I am sooooo peeved. The little black trenchcoat crowd with red bandanas have made a CALL TO ARMS to take over the protest in Portland, OR when Bush comes on August 21!~

They go crazy......breaking store windows...burning things.......starting fights..... And basically, what was to probably be a precedent in the protest of Bush in Portland, OR is more than likely going to be attended by maybe 75 kids who won't have the 1000s of peaceful protesters to fuel them on and serve as cover from the police.

Little bastards!

Put it this way.....the trouble these creeps cause will keep 1000s from protesting Bush. I am not going.....I am not crazy.

I am sooooo irritated.

[Loonman]

1. These assholes

It's because of those jerk offs that most take Globilization/WTO/GM foods, etc. protests as excuses for people to go crazy and smash stuff.

[TacticalPeek]

2. Wondered where all the fibbie plants have been

since COINTEL-PRO.

[Pocho]

3. GOOD!

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[DagmarK]

9. Yeah Pocho.......easy for you to say.....sitting in Mexico.....

All safe and sound and beyond the tentacles of homeland security.....(and away from the rock throwing, window bashing high school thugs) and no doubt not doing shit for your former country.

I guess I would be self-righteous as well if I were tucked away in a foreign country. But since I am not......I will just do what I can to stay safe and discourage VIOLENCE, since it's wanton violence and warmongering that I am protesting against in the first place.

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[Andy_Stephenson]

16. That was

a pretty harsh response...

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[Andy_Stephenson]

28. His response was not as nearly as harsh as yours.

"Hilarious......I knew one of his two little friends would jump in to defend him."

I don't see how saying a response was harsh is a defence...but ok. GAOT high and mighty?!?!? WTF...that is really funny. She is the furthest thing from "High and Mighty".

Alien conspiracy?!?!?! That is a riot! So funny infact...I am not even going to respond to it. I am just gonna sit here and laugh my ass off at how silly that comment was.

BTW...there is really no need to get nasty with me...the "fuck you prick" comment was unnecessary...and do you really want to get in a pissing contest with me? Frankly, I don't think you want to.

Now instead of casting aspersions, perhaps you should ask Pocho to expound on his "GOOD" comment. That might be far more productive than "Fuck you old man". Pocho was an activist long before you were born...maybe he is in Mexico for reasons you know nothing about. So until you have walked a mile in his shoes lay off him.

Finally, if you can tell me what peaceful marching has gotten us I would be more than glad to listen. Sometimes you just gotta shake things up to get results.

[DagmarK]

31. Your challenge is granted......

"do you really want to get in a pissing contest with me? Frankly, I don't think you want to."

Consider the war to have begun.......

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[Andy_Stephenson]

27. Dagmark...you your self have said...

"I am ready for a revolution"...You can't have a revolution...without ruffling a few feathers.

[DagmarK]

32. I have indeed said: "this political situation could LEAD to revolution"

given the history of man. But always in the context of "gee, folks, we had better get this oppressive situation turned around NOW before it turns into a bloody revolution." Translation: not quite time to bust things up and start a movement to topple our govt with guns and bloodshed. We are years off from that.....but given history, what peoples have sat by for a century under a repressive regime without eventually turning it into a battle.

but YOU.....it appears have concluded that breaking windows and causing riots is the only option available to us right now.

Get an explanation from Pocho for his one word saracastic post? A full explanation from the one-word wonder???? LOL

[Andy_Stephenson]

35. Please point to where I said

"that breaking windows and causing riots is the only option available to us right now."

This is what I said...

"You can't have a revolution...without ruffling a few feathers."

Where does ruffling feathers equate to breaking windows?

"Get an explanation from Pocho for his one word saracastic post?"

No need I understood the message loud and clear! The message was "GOOD"

[DagmarK]

39. My dear........

this isn't the venue where the challenge you presented shall be handled........

42. "ruffling a few feathers"

What an understatement.

"There is no revolution without violence. Those who don’t accept violence can cross out the word revolution from their dictionary."
Malcolm X

43. Dupe n/t

[DagmarK]

21. Is Great Aunt taking the night off?????

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[greatauntoftriplets]

23. Some of us live in the central time zone

and have jobs that begin at 8 a.m. I chose not to respond to this earlier.

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[greatauntoftriplets]

25. I was off in the arms of Morpheus

and having sweet dreams.

[Andy_Stephenson]

26. I was chatting with

Aliens...they made me do it...whatever it was.

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[NIGHT TRIPPER]

4. Go anyway

Remember the key is non violent protests
--this is a scare tactic to keep you at home and " in line "

and to make ALL protests look bad.

You should get a group of friends and just stay out of the way of any "riot' stuff.

If you scare off and all other protestors stay home guess what?
Now Bushee's just gotta have Black dressed costume wearers each time he's in town and then presto--no more protests !!
no voice of opposition !!
Just try and get more people to outnumber the rioters and assist the riot police in apprehending the violent doers.

You can't allow violence at a non violent protest--

[DagmarK]

10. That sounds good.....but there are some logistics in play here.........

Bush is speaking in a small part of town.....that is on a penninsula. There's only one way in and out of the area. The main artery in/out is a bridge that is currently closed. And.....basically, the place Bush is speaking is right on the only route out of the neighborhood.

so the cops are going to have to create the "free speech zone" in a very narrow and small space. So there won't be any ability to stand off to the side or not group with the ENTIRE group.

These kids .....man, you should see what they did at one of the protests. It was like beirut (well, not that bad....I don't think there were any molotov cocktails!).

It isn't just me who is saying......"ugh...no way". Basically 1000s of people were due to show up.....and they aren't going to. So, safety in peaceful numbers is off.

There's a reason these thugs scare people away ....... it makes good sense not show up where they are UNLESS the space is wide open with lots of ways in and out. That helps the police as well as the peaceful protesters.

I will think about it.....and it seems wimpy to let some brats scare us off. But the talk on the local activist circuit from the "anarchists" is that they are planning to raise the roof. A little too ominous for me.......

[sandnsea]

5. This is going to sound sooooo bitchy but

If you know this for a fact and you know their location.... report them (says meekly)?????

I mean if they can arrest puppet people in Pennsylvania, maybe they'd arrest these goofballs in Portland???? I was even thinking of trying to make it up that way, but I really don't want to be part of something like that either.

[DagmarK]

11. Shoot......you could come to my house........

I live really close to the whole thing (far enough that I don't think MY windows will get smashed in) but close enough to kind of keep an eye on things (via radio, TV) to know if things are going smoothly.

I will let you know what the final verdict is on this, Sandnsea. The anarchists are getting a lot of heat from the more mainstream activists...so maybe they will back off.

Believe me.....I thought about reporting them. Then I thought...sheesh.... I can't play into the hands of homeland security: arresting/detaining people because of what they MIGHT do? Granted, this is a secret service issue, because they are saying, "we aren't going for violence, but if pushed......yeah." You can't have that crap with the president there. It's nuts.

I will keep you informed about what's what. I don't know.....I would bet dollars to donuts that they are announcing one location and will change it at the last minute. The repukes who will write checks to Bush aren't in the area where they are saying Bush will be. The location makes ZERO sense (except that it's a catholic college). It's nuts to make 500-1000 repukes get in their cadillacs and SUVS and DRIVE 45 minutes TO a fundraising event, when they could just hold it downtown and it would be a 5 min walk.

So......Bush is playing cat and mouse.......

It could all be a big WASH!

44. That is so screwed up!

What is wrong with you? You are going to report people who are fighting against the system? To the cops that are going to be taking your pictures and putting you in databases and on no-fly lists and kicking your ass like they did in New York and Oakland? Because you assume that anrchists are going to break windows at an anti-bush protest? Damn liberals need to get your priorities straight. The enemy is Bush and the system that enables him not the people fighting against it. To silence any voice of opposition is wrong. To silence it by claiming that they're somehow silencing you, when in fact you are the one making the conscious decision not to participate is outrageous.

Are you participating in the TIPS program yet?

[Sagatious8]

6. Not so bad

I was at a protest in Philly and saw them, and yes they can be intimidating just by look, but they were entirely peaceful and respectful.

Could they be ... maturing politically?

[DagmarK]

12. They already turned a protest into a riot in Portland......

They did a really GREAT job in March 2003 at the big protest march. BUT there were 30,000 peaceful marchers to set the tone. They were maybe 200 people...

This time.....we don't ahve the numbers to curb it... we will see...

45. Cops create riots not anarchists

If you've ever been in a riot you would know this. Please stop repeating the "news".

[jfkennedy]

7. The Black bloc are Republicans

The black Bloc are Republican union members that got fired form Ford, and now they want to use liberal tactics to gain social justice.

But social justice only comes from non-violent principles, so as much as the Republicans huff and puff they will not get control of the left wing.

[DagmarK]

13. Our Black Bloc are a bunch of 15-22 year olds.......

I don't know........

[headlouse]

8. Stop being so paraniod!

The black bloc is not your enemy! You said it yourself, there will be only about 75 black bloc in attendance. Why will this small number of people stop you from going? Just because the black bloc is present does not mean that it will turn into a riot. I've been at several peaceful protests alongside the black bloc -- 99.9% of them are non-violent (though some see politically targeted corporate/government property destruction as a different matter).

And please, if you do go, don't waste time helping the riot police by turning in anarchs -- concentrate your efforts on protesting the real criminals (i.e., Bush Co.). I have seen the black bloc truely help the more typical peaceful protesters. Don't spurn them -- they could save your ass one of these days.

... will keep 1000s from protesting Bush.
Um sorry to disappoint you but this country has already seen 100,000s peacefully protesting Bush -- 1000s will be nary a blip in the media radar (unless there's a bit of black bloc spectical).

p.s. black bloc is a tactic not a set organization to find out more see:
http://www.infoshop.org/blackbloc.html

[DagmarK]

14. Precedent setting as in........strictly a local grassroots organization...

bringing a few 1000s during the afternoon on a weekday.

It would be a precedent at a Bush event.....

I described the location's problems in a post above.....if this were DOWNTOWN......no problem. If any of them get out of hand, the cops could easily stifle it. But up in this little dead-end area......if anything gets out of hand, we are ALL going to jail (after being brutalized by the cops).

And WHOEVER they are......whether it's a tactict or a group or whatever...... They are indicating that destruction of property is a very real possibility and that they HOPE it comes to that as it "helps their message." Problem is.....there isn't any govt property; it's a private college in a neighborhood.

We will see.....they are catching heat from the peace & justice folks, so maybe we can compromise.

[proud patriot]

17. In SF they don't disrupt the main protest

They do their thing away from the main crowd .
Luckily our news coverage here seperates them
from the more mainstream protesters .

[DeanMachine]

19. The Eugene Anarchists: Keeping the Struggle Alive!

While you guys cry in your beer and fume behind a keyboard, these young people are bringing the fight to the Bush junta, attempting to disrupt the flow of cash they gorge on like vampires.

[DagmarK]

22. Uh......30,000 decent civilized peaceful people came out to protest

in March.........

Sorry we didn't destroy the city.....

Besides.....if the "anarchists" are soooooo hellbent on changing the system.....why aren't they out there every single day? Why do they need a visit from anyone to show up to bash windows?

and why do they have to be little parasites who attach themselves to people who are fighting for DEMOCRACY. We aren't fighting for ANARCHY. They can have their cause, but don't feed like leeches on people with an entirely different platform and methodology?

Oh......I have a novel idea. The anarchists could get an actual candidate to run for govt offices??? Then they can figure out how to keep the order when this crap comes up and how to pay for it and when to RAISE EVERYONE'S TAXES to pay for it. Or is the goal to just let all of civilization fall into disrepair? Oh...that sounds just lovely.

46. They are out every single day organizing

That is how they keep the fort down while you go back to sleep with the smug satisfaction of "doing something" when you go to a march.

[cap]

29. ask the old time sixties activitists...

how they handled protests to keep them non-violent. There are organizational techniques to block the disrupters.

[nocreativename]

30. this is not the 60's

when it comes to bush it's time for war in the streets.

[DagmarK]

34. Well, then that war in the streets.......if it means violence......

won't take much for the govt to snuff out. There aren't that many people on that methodology page.

and I guess we who wish to work within the bounds of democracy should let the anarchists take their shot at it........and then they will be safely detained by Ashcroft and the rest of us who do not want to destroy democracy can carry on without them.

[nocreativename]

37. I'm not an anarchist

I am still working with in system on other ways, but those other ways are not really working.

Portland has the numbers Seattle has the number. we have to hit them on all fronts.

I work for a non-porfit enviro group in the northwest and what I've learned is it takes all kinds.

[DagmarK]

36. This, my friends (and enemies) is exactly the path to follow:

http://www.commondreams.org/news2003/0805-01.htm

41. Stop being such a jerk

Anarchists are allies not enemies. If liberals would defend anarchists instead of cops and corporations we might actually have some change in this country. As it is you want to ignorantly define a bunch of people that you know from news reports as insane idiots. Typically you intend to run and hide, because you could never be at a protest with <gasp!> anarchists. Apparently it is more important to you to be against anarchists than it is to be against Bush.