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dolo amber Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-04 12:23 PM
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Poll question: Stereotypes: Based in fact, or prejudices?
Edited on Sun Apr-11-04 12:27 PM by dolo amber
Any element of fact...or are they all just how we *perceive* others?
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DAGDA56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-04 12:30 PM
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1. Personal, albeit limited, experience...
...if you've only met one (enter favorite type here) then that person is your roll model
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Snoggera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-04 12:42 PM
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8. That's basically what I was going to say
If you've grown up around folks that feel it's okay to stereotype, and we all probably have to some degree, then you will likely have an easier time doing it yourself. Say your parents couldn't deal with the idea of anyone gay knocking on their door, much less a close relative having a relationship with one. You may "rebel" intellectually by having no problems with gay relationships or marriage, but may have a problem with some other sector of society. It could be black people, it could be asian people, it could be people with long or short hair, it could be anything.

How to break through the cycle of stereotyping? Recognition that it exists within yourself due to conditioning, and actively seeking out those that you feel uncomfortable with. You will discover that we are all basically the same, and just have some individual differences that, in the all-important long run, have no real meaning. Some will reject you in your search for knowledge, but that is only because they have not yet decided to attempt to overcome their own biases. There will be many more that will welcome you into their world.

I have to believe that most people are "good." If not, then somebody's got some 'splainin' to do regarding why there are so many of us on this planet apparently searching for the same things? Love, acceptance and peace.

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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-04 12:34 PM
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2. Quite often, the subjects of a stereotype ...
... make efforts to comply with the stereotype. Stereotyping a 'group' to the degree it represents a schism or division in our society often results in an accentuation in the degree to which 'members' of that 'group' identify themselves with that 'group' and, in so doing, support their self-identification with compliance to stereotype.
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dolo amber Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-04 12:38 PM
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5. I daresay
that's the best answer this thread will receive. ;)
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-04 12:42 PM
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7. As a not-so-macho male ..
... I thank you. 'Tis the Lounge, after all. :silly:
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Snoggera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-04 12:49 PM
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10. Yes, that does many times happen, however
it reminds me of a time-distant phrase, "blaming the victim," that I haven't heard in quite some time. People always react, when in some kind of submission mode, as they believe others expect them to react. It is a defence mechanism.

Compliance to perceived stereotype may be only a matter of self-preservation. How many barrio kids would risk going against stereotypical patterns of speech, or portray belief systems that are contrary to their "dominant" group? Not many, I believe, until they can escape that particular hell.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-04 02:38 PM
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13. Nowhere do I assume or imply "victim".
Edited on Sun Apr-11-04 02:51 PM by TahitiNut
Indeed, as a white male, I gave a subtle example of being "a not-so-macho male." People who regard themselves as members of a 'group' are not necessarily oppressed even though that 'group' may have strong stereotypes. 'Members' of the 'group' may even be complicit in creating a stereotype.

Here's a more obvious example: Marines. :shrug:
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Whitacre D_WI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-04 12:34 PM
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3. Where does one draw the line between fact and perception?
If I perceive something, it is a fact that I have perceived it that way. It blurs, you know? A perception can be a fact, and one can perceive a fact.

Therefore, I s'pose I gotta say it's a combo, on accounta I don't see any rigid dichotomy between the two.
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dolo amber Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-04 12:40 PM
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6. I'm sorry, did you say something?
:boring:


:P
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Whitacre D_WI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-04 12:44 PM
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9. Sod off, you.
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Snoggera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-04 01:00 PM
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11. Though it is a fact that you perceive something the way you do
Edited on Sun Apr-11-04 01:02 PM by Snoggera
the concept of cognizance and related problem solving techniques cause your initial impression, perception, to be altered based upon knowledge based upon experience, both "real" and perceived through books, or just by impressing the knowledge of others through listening.

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boobooday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-04 12:37 PM
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4. Based on the human desire for symbolism
The impulse to categorize, combined with the emotions triggered by perceived difference, I think.

We are pattern-seekers, and will impose them if necessary, if we feel we need them.

http://www.wgoeshome.com
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TexasProgresive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-04 01:10 PM
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12. other
tendencies that are expressed as stereotypes are generally represented be a small percentage higher in the stereotyped group than in the general population. The higher percentage while small is picked up by those outside the group who may exaggerate it to most or all. It's best to not judge people because of their race, tribe or religion. Take them as an individual and your personal experience with them. My wife never got the "Jews are tight with money" thing because her experience with Jews has always been marked by their extreme generosity. On the other hand she thinks Italians are tight- excepting her beloved uncle. Go figure.
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Jade Fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-04 04:13 PM
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14. Both
Edited on Sun Apr-11-04 04:13 PM by Jade Fox
There is usually a grain of truth in stereotypes. After all, they don't come
from nowhere. But a stereotype is a simplification which allows you to
ignor the complexity and uniqueness of the individual.
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Redleg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-04 04:55 PM
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15. As an academic I cannot answer that question in simple terms
so I won't answer it at all! Besides- dinner is almost ready. Yum Yum!
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dolo amber Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-04 08:37 PM
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16. Kick
:kick:
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