Guns N' Roses, Beastie Boys, Red Hot Chili Peppers chosen for R&R Hall of Fame

[Amerigo Vespucci]

Guns N' Roses, Beastie Boys, Red Hot Chili Peppers Chosen for Rock and Roll Hall of Fame
Laura Nyro, Donovan and the Small Faces/Faces will also be inducted in 2012

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/guns-n-roses-beastie-boys-red-hot-chili-peppers-chosen-for-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-20111207

By Andy Greene
December 7, 2011 3:30 AM ET



The votes are in and next year's Rock and Roll Hall of Fame class will include Guns N' Roses, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Beastie Boys, the Small Faces/Faces, Donovan and Laura Nyro. Freddie King will enter the Hall of Fame as an Early Influence, while the late producer and TV host Don Kirshner will receive the Ahmet Ertegun (nonperformer) Award and producers Cosimo Matassa, Tom Dowd and Glyn Johns will receive the Award for Musical Excellence. The ceremony will be held April 14th at Cleveland's Public Hall. It will be broadcast on HBO in early May.

Red Hot Chili Peppers frontman Anthony Kiedis got the news while his band was touring Europe."I called my dad and cried," he tells Rolling Stone. "The most emotional part for me was thinking about Hillel Slovak . . . It's really kind of his induction that I'm the most excited about. He's a beautiful person that picked up a guitar in the 1970s and didn't make it out of the 1980s, and he is getting honored for his beauty . . . It really fills my heart with the reality of how much we love doing what we do, and how much Flea and I love each other. We have stuck together through thick and thin and we want to keep on trucking and continuing to do what it is we do."

Guns N' Roses are the only group to be inducted on their first year of eligibility. The original line-up hasn't performed together since drummer Steven Adler left the band in 1990. During an interview last month with VH1 Classic's That Metal Show, Axl Rose didn't completely rule out a reunion. "I don't know what it means in terms of me with the old band and the old lineup," he said. "If we were to be invited, I don't know what they would ask of me. It's up in the air."

Adler remains skeptical that Axl will be willing to perform with the original lineup. "You figure that time heals all wounds," he tells Rolling Stone. "But some people just REALLY hold a crazy grudge. I just had lunch with Slash two days ago. He loves Axl. He holds no grudges towards him. Twenty years of great music wasn't created because of some stupid grudge. . . Can't we just be fucking people who played music and accomplished a huge goal in their life and just play a couple songs? It's only rock & roll, my god! It's not rocket science."

[hifiguy]

1. Yet for some reason Yes and King Crimson, two of the

most influential bands of the last 40 years, still aren't in.

What a farce.

[LynneSin]

3. No Rush, no Jethro Tull, no Moody Blues either

:grr:

[hifiguy]

4. Man, that is ridiculous.

ALL of those bands belong in the HOF along with Yes and KC.

[Amerigo Vespucci]

5. If you listen to the "second wave" of Prog music...

...the front-line stars like Marillion, Dream Theater, Spock's Beard, and the other bands that are perhaps best known to hard-core Prog fans (Djam Karet, NeBeLNeST, and scores of others), the influence of Yes and King Crimson is beyond question. Most of modern prog, with very few exceptions, is an amalgam of Genesis (Gabriel to Hackett only, none of the "And Then There Were Three" pop crap that followed), Yes, King Crimson and Pink Floyd. I have several prog mix CDs I keep in the car and was listening to one the other day, specifically Spock's Beard's "Day or Night," and was hit again by the depth of the Genesis influence. Steven Wilson's (Porcupine Tree) Crimson leanings led to him remastering the KC catalog, with Fripp's enthusiastic support and cooperation. His solo albums feature extreme Crimson-isms.

And yet, we have to make sure that Axl gets in there first, and the Red Hot Chili Peppers. Go figure.

:toast:

[hifiguy]

6. Porcupine Tree is an incredible band.

Been a fan of theirs for almost 20 years.

Didn't know Steven W remastered the Crim catalog, though. That should be worth hearing.

[Amerigo Vespucci]

8. The remastered "Red" is like an extreme blow to the head with a blunt object (in a good way)

I don't know if he has completed the entire project...he was doing them in batches. "Red" might be my favorite KC album...on this remaster, the clarity definition is amazing (especially Bruford).

Red (Extra tracks, Special Edition, Original recording remastered)

http://www.amazon.com/Red-King-Crimson/dp/B002GYVRRI



http://www.amazon.com/Red-King-Crimson/dp/B002GYVRRI

Digitally remastered and expanded two disc (CD/DVD) edition of the Prog Rock band's classic 1974 album, released to coincide with King Crimson's 40th anniversary. The CD features three extra tracks (two previously unreleased) including pre-overdub mixes of the title track and 'Fallen Angel', which illustrate perfectly why the album has been such an enduring influence. The DVD features a 5.1 DTS mix and high resolution stereo mixes plus rare performance footage of four tracks broadcast by French TV in 1974. Presented as digipak in a slipcase with new sleeve notes by Robert Fripp and King Crimson biographer Sid Smith along with rare photos and archive material.

[hifiguy]

9. "Red" is one of my favorites, too.

Bought it on the day it came out in 1974. The Fripp/Wetton/Bruford/Cross KC played the most intelligent and complex heavy metal that ever there was. That band owed more to Bartok and Stravinsky than any rock music.

[LynneSin]

10. Pink Floyd made in it because of the commericial success of 'Dark Side' and 'The Wall'

Else they would be on the same list as KC, Yes, Moodys, Rush etc etc

[Amerigo Vespucci]

11. Yep...they had a "Sgt. Pepper's" in the form of D.S.O.T.M....

...some would say the same of The Wall (I wouldn't...The Wall was what it was, and a commercial success, but other than "Comfortably Numb," I can personally take it or leave it).

So I guess the same is true of Guns 'n' Roses..."Appetite for Destruction" was a HUGE commercial success. By the time of the twin "Use Your Illusion" albums, the rot had already set in, but they were still the darlings of MTV with "You Could Be Mine" and "November Rain." It doesn't seem like they've had a tremendous amount of influence outside of their own bubble, unless you count a million asshole tattooed Sunset Strip club bands who will never make it outside of the Sunset Strip.

[cbdo2007]

13. bwahahahaha - to each their own I guess.

PF is in another league than the bands you mention. Even if no one had bought DSOTM it is a masterpiece along with Animals, Wish You Were Here, and The Wall, not to mention about 10 more albums better than Yes and the Moody Blues.

[dawg]

18. I love Floyd, but Yes is better.

Jon Anderson does have one of those love it or hate it voices, but other than that, Yes made some really great albums.

And Yes' lame 80's comeback was more successful than Floyd's. :P

[hifiguy]

19. Um, well.

Pink Floyd, whom I would also rate above Yes and the Moody Blues, only released 14 studio albums. Two of those were with Syd Barrett, one (Ummagumma) was a collection of solo pieces packaged together with a live disc. One (The Final Cut) was made without founder-member Richard Wright.

The "main sequence" of PF albums, consisted of Atom Heart Mother (an OK record), Meddle (brilliant), the Obscured by Clouds soundtrack (good but not essential), Dark Side, Wish You Were Here, Animals, and The Wall. Seven albums.

IMO, The Final Cut is a Waters solo LP that happens to have Gilmour and Mason playing on it, not a real PF album.

So PF were great, but their essential catalog is not a huge one, nor was their total output.

Source:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pink_Floyd_discography

[Amerigo Vespucci]

27. Gilmour has repeatedly called "The Final Cut" a piece of shit

Following "The Wall" (according to Gilmour) Waters also tried to bring in his first solo album "Pros and Cons of Hitchhiking" as a Floyd album.

Gilmour claims "The Final Cut" is primarily outtakes from "The Wall."

The Floyd mix CD I keep in the car contains:

Echoes
Speak to Me / Breathe
On the Run
Time
Shine On You Crazy Diamond (Part 1-5)
Shine On You Crazy Diamond (Part 6-9)
Sheep
Comfortably Numb

...and because the raw tracks clock in at around 81 minutes I had to do some trimming of the intros and outros to fit it on a single CD, but when I am in the mood for Floyd, this is the first CD I reach for.

:toast:

[hifiguy]

32. "Echoes" has never paled

in the almost 40 years I have been listening to it.

I have been a Floyd fan so long I was eagerly anticipating Dark Side when it came out. :)

[dawg]

20. The influence goes way beyond neo-prog.

If you ask me, Yes and the other prog bands were a major influence on the other great "hated" genre of the 70's ....... Arena Rock!

Boston, Heart, Journey, Foreigner.

All were influenced by progressive rock and all sold millions.

[Amerigo Vespucci]

26. Ritchie Blackmore...

...if you trace the career trajectory of Rainbow, the original Ronnie James Dio lineup could almost be described as prog. But Blackmore also went on record as saying how much he liked Foreiger, and the later Joe Lynn Turner lineup of Rainbow really was nothing more than a Foreigner knock-off with Ritchie Blackmore solos.

PLUS...Foreigner founder Mick Jones came from Spooky Tooth, which most certainly had its prog moments (especially tracks like "The Mirror," which Jones wrote with Gary Wright and Mike Patto).

:toast:

[hifiguy]

57. Yep - all except Heart were dumbed-down prog

and the absolute worst of the bunch, a band I hated and still hate with an undying and unbankable passion was Sty(n)x. I don't know what I hated more about Dennis De Young - that horrible, retch-inducing warbling voice or that gawdawful porn moustache. :nuke: :puke::puke::puke:

Heart was always more Zep influenced, at least in the mid-70s. Like LZ they did the "ass-kicking rock song followed by pretty acoustic ballad" thing a lot. And Ann Wilson was a mind-blowing singer. See, for example, "Barracuda."

[A Simple Game]

17. It is indeed a farce, I haven't paid attention to it in the last 20 years. n/t

[NoGOPZone]

33. I'm a fan of both those bands, but I think overlooking groups like

Love, Quicksilver Messenger Service and Tower of Power is a bigger farce. I think the real tragedy with Yes and King Crimson is how many people, even supposedly knowledgeable fans, often overlook members of those groups when the best instrumentalists are discussed, such as Adrian Belew and Chris Squire to name simply two. As for the lesser lights of progressive rock like Rush, I couldn't care less.

[cbdo2007]

2. Wow.....is Adler even able to play drums anymore?? After seeing him on

celebrity rehab, it seems like he can hardly walk straight.

Anyways, congrats to GNR and everybody else.

[hamsterjill]

15. Adler is doing well.

My son-in-law was recently at a concert and got to go backstage. Adler was there, and I'm told he was in good shape - at least at that moment.

[Tikki]

7. Congrats to the RHCP....I wonder, though, if this LA...

band could have made it to the R&RHOF if it hadn't been for
bands like X and Social Distortion paving the way....


Tikki

[Avalux]

12. Is the RR Hall of Fame based on record sales?

Just wondering because if it's a purely talent thing, so many others are deserving....Guns and Roses....BLEEEEECH.

[taterguy]

30. Strangely enough, you have to be famous to get in the Hall of FAME

And it's rare for acts that didn't sell many records to get famous.

Talent wise, the Golden Palominos were one of the best groups ever but they're disqualified due to obscurity.

There are countless other examples out there.

[MilesColtrane]

14. Guns N' Roses hunh?

That signals that it's only a matter of time before Kid Rock takes his place along side them.

[RZM]

16. Donovan is in this year too

Hopefully if they do the jam at the end the Beasties can rap a couple verses from 'Hurdy Gurdy Man' :)

[JenniferJuniper]

21. Happy to see the Small Faces finally in, those boys

were amazing, despite the management manipulation that kept them out of the US and therefore off Americans' radar.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcKZoFRpZCI

Not sure why they are being lumped in with the later, and very different Rod Stewart and the Faces, although it probably has something to do with that radar.

[some guy]

22. agree

It's weird that they lump what is essentially two bands together and pretend they're one and the same.


Hey, you're one of my favorite sixties tunes! :bounce: :D :bounce:

[JenniferJuniper]

23. LOL! Donovan made it in too!

Wasn't expecting that one either, but we'll take it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1cESSh-SqU

[some guy]

24. yay!

congrats to your Dad :D

[flvegan]

25. All deserving, especially the Beastie Boys.

Rush gets screwn again, lol!

[blue neen]

28. Too bad Steve Marriott won't be here for the induction.

It really is kind of strange that they put Small Faces and Faces together...not the same sound at all.

Edited to add:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJzcF0v1eOE


:)

[JenniferJuniper]

29. "You can miss out school, won't that be cool"...my not quite 13 year old

makes me play this song nearly every Monday morning on the way to school.

I think Youtube has fueled a Small Faces resurgence to the point that they really could not be kept out of the Hall of Fame any longer, but as Itchycoo Park was their only hit in North America, the Hall may have felt they needed to toss in Rod Stewart and Ronnie Wood for the televised performance ratings. Nothing against them or the Faces, but they're both in the HoF already, and the Faces weren't nearly as innovative or influential as the Small Faces. If they only televise Rod Stewart backed by the surviving Faces performing Stay With Me IMO that will be disrespecting the memories of both the enormously talented Steve Marriott as well as the songwriting team of Marriott/Lane. Not to mention robbing the audience of perhaps learning about a remarkable band they've never really gotten to know.

[blue neen]

37. It's great that your 13 year old knows such a fantastic song!

Keep teaching that child about good music!!! My own 28 year old credits me with tuning in him to a lot of bands that his friends had never even heard of. :)

You're absolutely right about the innovation and influence of Small Faces. Steve was such a talent and so under-appreciated. Here's my fave:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdXjm8pZMws

Another interesting thing is that Ronnie Wood originally got into the Hall of Fame with the Stones, but IMHO his best guitar work was with the Faces.

His guitar just cooks on this song, and I never heard him even come close to that type of skill with the Stones (also weird how Rod Stewart is not handling the vocals here!):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCzAfhGEo10

:toast:

[JenniferJuniper]

43. 30 days in the hole, hands down

my favorite Humble Pie song. Actually played it on the way to work this morning. It being apropos.

As for the kid, thanks to her dad the Clash fanatic, she used to walk around the house as a 2 year old softly singing "Saaaandinista!"

She sometimes pretends she's not interested in the stuff we play, but when I showed her this classic some months ago, she said, "If Justin Bieber watched this, he'd go home and never show his face again". She plays the drums, too, and was pretty amazed at little Kenney Jones, who looks all of 12 here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bTwOZU9OU4

[blue neen]

45. What a rocking video!

It's amazing that such a powerful, soulful voice came out of such a little guy!

[Amerigo Vespucci]

38. You know what was REALLY strange? The two Small Faces "reunion" albums

"Playmates" (1977) and "78 In The Shade" (1978). Perennial "second banana" Rick Wills (Roxy Music, David Gilmour, Foreigner, Bad Company) on bass in place of Ronnie Lane, Jimmy "Wings" McCullough on second guitar.

A "Small Faces" reunion without Ronnie Lane is kind of like a Beatles reunion without Paul McCartney. The other guys can show up but there's gonna be a big, gaping void. There was.

Notable for Marriott's voice only, not the strength of the performances or material.

Steve Marriott – guitar, vocals
Jimmy McCulloch – guitar (only credited as Thanks on LP)
Ian McLagan – keyboards, vocals
Rick Wills – bass guitar, vocals
Kenney Jones – drums, vocals

[JenniferJuniper]

39. Steve and Ronnie did get back together as the Majik Mijits in the early 80's

The album was shelved and not heard until after they were both dead. It's a strange one too, but still with some bright spots. Here we have what the Small Faces might have sounded like after surviving the disco era - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrdmXeRgfvs

Of course at this point, Ronnie could no longer really play his bass lines due to the MS and had to be carried around by Steve, which was never going to work.

[blue neen]

40. Yep, Ronnie Lane would be a hard act to follow!

I've never listened to anything from those releases...going to check them out for curiosity's sake!

:toast:

[Amerigo Vespucci]

42. They are not "bad" at all...they are just not "classic" Small Faces

Amazon sells the MP3 downloads of both albums for about $7 each. You can play clips of all the songs to see if you like what you hear before spending any money.

http://www.amazon.com/Playmates/dp/B00122Z3X4/

http://www.amazon.com/78-In-The-Shade/dp/B00122QARM/

:toast:

[6000eliot]

59. I know I'm not supposed to, but I love both of those albums.

Marriott's voice does it for me.

[era veteran]

48. Small Faces , about time

Faces? so what

RIP Steve & Ronnie

[Tom Ripley]

50. Last year, I woke up one morning with very askew hair (it looked like

the "Faces rooster cut")
My wife took note and asked me which Face I would like to be.
My immediate answer was Steve Marriott.
She was at first rather befuddled, but after watching footage of Marriott, she understood my answer very well. He was incredible.
Rest In Peace.

[HughBeaumont]

31. "As long as I'm here, Rush will NEVER get in" - anonymous RRHOF Board Member.

But hey, let's put a band in who had one great album, one mediocre album and then took 14 years for Paxil Rose and whoever could stand to work with him to make a giant cowpile mess called Chinese Democracy, YEAH!!

I guess the Chili Peppers are deserving despite the fact that musically they've been phoning it in since around 1995.

The progressive rock hatred is getting really old and sad at this point. Who cares whether you don't like them . .. its influence on modern music cannot be denied.

[hifiguy]

34. Too true, Hugh.

Hell, I'd put Van Der Graaf Generator in the RRHOF, but that's just me. :)

[HughBeaumont]

35. If only for Pawn Hearts alone.

"A Plague of Lighthouse Keepers" = one of the best epics ever.

The Rush hatred and snub angers me considering John Mellen Cougarcamp and Madonna are in the HOF, but the Yes and King Crimson exclusions year after year make me sick. This is ludicrous. How many modern bands owe their sound or part of it, or influence, to these two bands? Tool is a big name that comes to mind; Dream Theater and Mars Volta are two others. Porcupine Tree, Opeth, Helmet, Dillinger Escape Plan, etc.

[hifiguy]

36. "Plague" is great,

but "Godbluff" is still my favorite VDGG album because it was the first of theirs I heard. "The Sleepwalkers" is another great Hammill epic. When the band comes roaring back in after the middle section it still gives me the chills 35 years later.

[OriginalGeek]

44. I've seen you guys defend Rush and I've seen the other bands you like

and that's how I know I need to immediately go seek out Van Dr Graaf Generator.


I've heard the name for a long time but have no idea what they do.



I used to have a button from the Hugh Beaumont Experience.

back in a bit...gone Generatin'...

[hifiguy]

49. VdGG is very different.

Heavy keyboards - mostly Hammond organ, with sax, vocals, a bit of guitar and drums. The organist, Hugh Banton, usually plays bass on organ pedals. Very vocally oriented - Peter Hammill is a singer and lyricist like no other. His songs are dense, wordy and complex. A great band, but admittedly something of a specialized taste.

[OriginalGeek]

55. Yeah was listening on Youtube

and they are pretty far out there - especially for what, late 70s? I liked what I heard.

I really love a band that challenges me and just from the little bit I heard on Youtube last night I can tell they will make me pay attention.

[hifiguy]

56. You will like VdGG, then.

Peter Hammill pretty much forces you to pay attention. He has a lot to say and uses lots of words to say it. :)

Their heyday was in the 1970s, but the mid-1970s lineup (Hammill/Banton/Jackson/Evans) reformed a few years ago and may still be together.

[cherish44]

41. I am opposed to the institutionalization of rock and roll

so un-rock and roll

[JackDragna]

46. Really? The Beastie Boys?

I'm sorry, but given all of the people who've truly contributed something to the hip-hop genre, they're way down on the list. They're not even a rock band, and there's far more deserving rap/hip-hop groups that did more for the genre.

[bluesbassman]

47. With all due respect, the RRHOF is a joke.

No Thin Lizzy, Little Feat, Stevie Ray Vaughn, Steppenwolf, Bad Company, Link Wray, Small Faces, Dick Dale, Yes, Emerson Lake & Palmer, Jethro Tull, Rush, or Deep Purple? The list unfortunately goes on for too long.

But they put in The Beastie Boys? No offense to 'em, I actually like their stuff, but seriously. :wtf:

[Amerigo Vespucci]

52. True, but...

...I look at performers like Darlene Love, who absolutely deserves that honor, and it makes me less angry over the mainstream, highly influential bands / performers who have been overlooked.

And I feel the same way about the R.H.C.Ps that you do about the Beastie Boys, except I really don't care for most of their music. That's largely because I consider Anthony Keidis to be one gi-normous pain in the ass, and it makes it hard to get into a band when you can;t stomach its frontman.

:toast:

[progressoid]

54. +1

[Tom Ripley]

51. You mean the Jan Wenner Approved R&R Hall of Fame?

[Amerigo Vespucci]

53. I hear ya

There's one school of thought that says Rolling Stone lost its heart, mojo, whatever...the minute it moved its offices from San Francisco to New York.

I remember reading Rolling Stone when it was still a "folded-over tabloid newspaper." I enjoyed the hell out of it, but little by little, it became more of a mainstream "entertainment" magazine, and it leaned heavily toward the "elites" who allowed Wenner into their inner circle.

[Mudoria]

58. Another year and still no Thin Lizzy induction.. sigh

[mvd]

60. Have never liked Guns N' Roses

RHCP and BB are good, though not really my favorite styles.