These models are plus size? How about these models are NORMAL!!!

[LynneSin]

I'm so fricking tired of fashion calling normal size women "PLUS" size. Like actually having a healthy body weight and size is somehow a wretched thing to be. How about none of these 3 very beautiful women will provbably never die of an eating disorder like Anorexia or Bulemia. How about these 3 stunning models represent what the rest of the world can actually achieve in weight size. How about we call these excessively slim size models as "MINUS" size instead.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/03/vogue-italia-plus-size_n_870739.html

Always ready to up the body image ante, Vogue Italia's June issue celebrates curvy models, with a trio of plus-sized beauties posing for the cover. Tara Lynn, Candice Huffine and Robyn Lawley lean over plates of spaghetti in their lingerie, and inside, Marquita Pring is added to the mix for Steven Meisel's lens.

[WinkyDink]

1. I KNOW! Those are normal arms! No double chins!

[MrScorpio]

2. They look fine to me

Can't stand too skinny

[surrealAmerican]

3. How can you even tell what size they are?

Granted they're scantily clad, but they are all posed in such a manner as to hide or distort their mid-sections.

[Cid_B]

28. There ya go...

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-63wOFIFkOs8/Tei3_mLjJvI/AAAAAAABBjg/0T3pKpLiDUE/s640/VOGUE+Italia+June+2011+-+Robyn+Lawley+%2526+Tara+Lynn+%2526+Candice+Huffine+by+Steven+Meisel+08.jpg

[Odin2005]

41. #2 = WOW!

:loveya:

[Bake]

4. They are NOT normal ... they are SMOKINNNNNNN .......

Normal people don't look that hawt. Just sayin'.

Bake

[Dr. Strange]

9. +1 for the Bake-meister.

:fistbump:

[HopeHoops]

5. Maybe that just applies to the upper-frontal superstructures.

(which appear to be augmented)

[Bake]

16. I don't think we can know that for sure

without closer inspection. Much closer inspection.

:rofl:

Bake

[HopeHoops]

18. I'm basically a B-cup sort of guy - you know...

"more than a handful..."

I'm happy as it is, so I'll pass on the inspection offer.

[GoCubsGo]

23. Why do you think they're "augmented"?

Many women come by it naturally.

[Chellee]

38. I don't think they are augmented.

Because if you click on the link, and then click on the Vogue link within, and look at all the pictures, you will get to the completely nude pictures. And those breasts look real.

[HopeHoops]

45. Perhaps they aren't but the push-up on the dresses wasn't complimentary. I didn't check the nudes.

I'm seriously more of a B-cup guy anyway.

[Chellee]

58. Yes.

Your preference for B-cups has been duly noted. However, there is nothing wrong with these women's bodies. Nude, clothed, wearing undergarments that support their breasts or not.

[HopeHoops]

65. Well I'll take your word for it - still passing on the nudie pics.

[marzipanni]

6. Spain and Italy are so much more sensible about models' size

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06275/726652-114.stm


and in Europe dogs are allowed in restaurants.


;)

[lightningandsnow]

7. Careful, if you post that in GD someone will accuse you of promoting obesity.

In all seriousness, though, they're gorgeous! I have a similar body type that's apparently OMG FAT but I've basically been this size/shape since grade 9, so I'm pretty sure it's just the way I'm supposed to be.

[seaglass]

8. I think they look beautiful, fit, proportionate. They look large to me but

probably because I am a medium. I have no idea why the terms "minus" or "plus" are used in fashion since I've never seen size minus or plus.

[bluesbassman]

10. I'm making a reservation for dinner at that restaurant!

Awesome dress code. :P

The models' figures are great IMO FWIW.

[KamaAina]

11. That's amore!!!

:loveya:

[dawg]

12. I'm on the fence about these ladies, Lynne ...

Could you maybe post a few more pictures, you know, to help me make up my mind on this issue? :evilgrin:

[LynneSin]

13. Click on the link dear

:D

[zen_bohemian]

14. those are PLUS?!!?

That makes me a super moo'er....I wish I had a figure like that haha

[Gidney N Cloyd]

15. I wouldn't kick 'em out of bed for eating pasta...

[NightWatcher]

19. I would, there's more room on the floor to fool around

[MilesColtrane]

17. Mi ha colpito!

[kimi]

20. They are gorgeous!

"Plus" size - nonsense. I totally agree with you - those anorexic chicks oughtta be called "minus" sized, cause these women are normal, and hot.

[GoCubsGo]

21. Yep. Much better looking than those anorexic "normal" models

I would love to know just who it is that dictates that a bag of bones is "attractive". Personally, I find the non-"plus-size" models kind of creepy. Ditto for all these anorexic actresses.

[Maine-ah]

84. well...

I don't think there is such a thing as "normal" body size, everyone is different. I wouldn't call these women plus size at all, and they are all beautiful. But am I not "normal" because my body size is probably half of theirs?

[nolabear]

22. These women look like they would FEEL good to snuggle up with.

So, here's an interesting psychoanalytic theory (not mine but maybe there's something to it). Women like these--soft, voluptuous, strong looking women in the sense that they look solid and self-possessed, create a sense of wanting to be taken in and taken careof in a fundamental way that makes people feel a desire to be childlike, to be held and snuggled and fed (yes, like that). If you are embarrassed by that feeling or have countermanding feelings that tell you that it's important to be on guard or "adult" and that you are wrong to feel that way, then you might find these women threatening and unappealing in reaction to that.

Children love a snuggly warm lap and arms without reservation. And this isn't to diss anyone else's body type, btw. But heck, we zaftig babes feel gooooood. And these women look beautiful.

[kimi]

33. You know, that's an interesting outlook

Men, and women too, probably don't even recognize that in themselves, but there's nothing wrong with wanting to be taken care of. It's a basic human need.

I like this theory, it makes total sense.

[pitohui]

37. maybe and yet i don't think the attraction is about sleeping with mama...

i had an involvement when young w. a woman who looked much like the one in the middle, and i can't believe that it was about wanting to be taken care of in a fundamental way or wanting to be a child!

first off, the woman was a sociopath, and the situations she put me into were about danger, risk, excitement, S/M -- NOTHING about big fat mama wanting to take care of me, not that i wanted to be fussed over anyway, leave that mama crap to the diaper fetish guys

i actually think the reason most people are un-attracted to fat women is precisely BECAUSE you're not sexually attracted to your mama, think about what you're saying

a beautiful thickset young woman can be very, very sexual but once she tries to be your mama, the sexuality is gone, and she is just a fat girl -- she is no longer attractive

you are trying to be kind but think about what you're saying..."they look so comfortable," they look like a mama gonna take care of baby....UGH, that's just a turn-off

a big beautiful woman is sexy if she's powerful and dangerous

if she's just another cow popping out babies, she is not sexy or attractive, she's just another sad example of what you don't wanna be or what you don't wanna be trapped by

don't try to be "comfortable" if you're a big woman, try to be powerful, THAT'S what's sexy -- admittedly this is a woman's view, i have no idea of a man's take on it

[nolabear]

74. Nonono, you misunderstand.

I'm not talking about an adult's perspective, but a holdover from infancy. Sexuality and one's feelings about it do begin in infancy, but as body awareness, comfort, pleasure, security, etc., all of which play into successful sexuality. Some people get conflicted about getting that relaxed and hedonistic and psychologically naked.

The old adage about wanting to sleep with Mom is an oversimplification of the idea that a small child's world involves little frame of reference except the parents, so all good feeling is associated with those people. Once body control is mastered then the self becomes a point of involvement--"Hey! When I do that it feels GOOD!" Then when the rest of the world gets cross-wired with sexuality it comes out in all sorts of wild and wonderful ways.

I agree that a powerful woman is beautiful and exciting, but your comments about cows and traps and the need to be powerful is a perspective not everyone shares.

[Aristus]

48. I couldn't have said it better myself, nolabear.

All that beautiful skin is so inviting...

[Brigid]

24. They look fine to me.

Maybe a few more photo layouts like this over here in this country and the rail-thinness and eating disorders will start going out of style in the fashion industry here. People forget Marilyn Monroe was a size 14.

[pink-o]

72. A VINTAGE size 14. Which is today's size 8 or 10 n/t

[Ptah]

25. oh yeah!

[provis99]

26. mmmm, delicious...

the food, I mean...

[distantearlywarning]

27. I'm a heterosexual female

And I think these babes are smokin' hot. Seriously, they set the room on fire. Looking at this picture, I can't imagine what anyone sees in the anorexic girls. THESE are real, sexy women right here. :applause: :woohoo:

[City of Mills]

44. They seem as phony and unrealistic as so-called "skinny" models

But I'm not a fan of the modeling industry overall. Where are the beautiful, natural "real" women? I like crow's feet and laugh lines, no makeup etc...'flawless' women look like aliens or blowup dolls to me.

Not unexpectedly, lots of replies here describing petite or athletic women as "anorexic". These particular models look plus-size to me, but thats a dumb label to begin with, about as accurate and useful as women's clothing sizes. This is from my own perspective - I'm a short, thin guy and find myself attracted to women smaller than me. It's just a general preference.

Regardless of physical body size, the traits that always attract me are intelligence, compassion and self-confidence (not arrogance!).

----

EDIT: Sorry, meant to reply to the original post!

[Bunny]

29. If I were six inches taller, I'd look *just* like them!

[edbermac]

30. Zaftig is a better word

having a full rounded figure : pleasingly plump

[DBoon]

31. zaftig = "juicy" in German

very applicable here

[PaddyBlueEyes]

32. All I know is.............

they are HOT as hell....

[mythology]

34. I would argue that they are slightly overweight

Not a great deal, but I think some of it comes from the lack of noticeable muscle definition. Admittedly I take part in a martial art that is heavy on flexibility and cardiovascular work so even those women who aren't a size 0 or 2 tend to have defined muscles and just have a physical presence that these women lack in these pictures.

Obviously others disagree with me and I would stress that I wouldn't say these women are at an particularly unhealthy weight. I just tend to be more physically attracted to women who at least look like they are physically active. To each their own.

[pitohui]

35. they're pretty clearly plus sized, i'm not getting the issue here?

they are clearly overweight, what's wrong w. admitting that a woman can be a beautiful woman AND be a large woman?

[meow2u3]

53. These ladies look as though they have large bonestructures

Not to mention normal, ideal-for-having-kids, female fat. In other words, they looked like me when I was in my mid-to-late 20's.

Back then, I was a size 14-16 and used to weigh 170 lbs and was not overweight (my percentage of body fat was in the normal range at that time). I still couldn't stand it, but the young men would fight over me :P

[stevenleser]

54. Having a BMI over 25 is not ideal for having kids and in fact introduces various risk factors

This is just for starters - http://babyfit.sparkpeople.com/articles.asp?id=894 :

"risk of excessive postpartum weight retention, low birth weight infant, large birth weight infant, and ... risk of chronic disease as an adult."

That doesnt begin to talk about increased risk of pre-eclampsia and gestational diabetes

[Scout]

79. BMI is a totally bullshit measurment n/t

[MilesColtrane]

56. "they looked like me when I was in my mid-to-late 20's."

Confirmation necessary. Please provide pictures.

;) XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX :evilgrin:

[Kat45]

36. In the world of models, they would be considered plus-size.

I'm guessing that models are size 0-2, maybe a 4 at the most. So yes, for models this is plus-size. But I find it insulting that they use this word for them because in the real world, this is normal sized. It is not plus, it does not require massive dieting/starving, etc. and when women in the real world see the word plus-sized, they will think they are fat and need to lose weight.

[seabeyond]

39. they look plus size to me. they look fine to me, too. i dont think it is an insult to be plus size

unless you have an issue with overweight.

i dont care what others weigh, so i dont see "plus" as being an issue.

[Odin2005]

40. Normal? They are FUCKING HAWT!

[SixString]

42. Nothing plus size about those three...

unless you're into this....

[elleng]

60. Right..

See Renoir.

[SixString]

64. See. Now that's plus size

But I'm not one to complain.

[Mopar151]

43. If you design clothes to look good on a coathanger

Then you need to find a model built like a coathanger.

[Taitertots]

46. They look "Normal" for Americans, which means they are plus sized models

The only difference is their amazingly beautiful faces and proportions.

[guitar man]

47. Whatever you call their size

They are smokin' hawt! :loveya:

edit to add, I've been married to a smokin' "plus sized" woman for almost 20 years :D

[cherish44]

49. Size 8 is considered "plus size"

I wear a size 8 and my weight and BMI are all in the recommended healthy range for my height. So yeah, mainstream high fashion models are not healthy and not normal. These women look to be about size 12 or 14 and they're probably slightly overweight from a clinical point of view but that's got to be healthier than the regular models who are SEVERELY underweight

[elleng]

59. No, size 8 is not Plus, nor are 10 or 12.

Just been shoppping w daughter + buying for both of us, wedding/shower, etc. Daughter 6 or 8, me 10/12, both available as 'regular,' even tho C + D. 'Plus' elsewhere.

[demmiblue]

61. I think the poster is saying that women starting at a size 8...

are hired as plus sized models.

[elleng]

62. Gotcha!

[stevenleser]

50. There are only three things that matter here

#1 - (And most important) How these women feel about themselves

#2 - How their perspective mates feel

#3 - Their BMI and how it affects their health

Whatever the fashion industry calls them is irrelevant IMHO

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[OffWithTheirHeads]

52. Normal = "The usual condition" M. Webster

I'm sorry but after driving from San Jose, Ca to Memphis, down to N.O. and back through Tucson, it is my observation that the "Normal" American (male and female) more closely resembles Rush Limpballs. It's a sad situation. I don't remember it being this way as I was growing up. I attribute most of it to the McDonaldization of our food supply. Prior to McD's, there wasn't really a lot of pre-processed Frankinfood available. Mom went to the grocer, bought mostly farm products, brought it home and cooked dinner. Of course, at that time, this was part of Mom's job description. About the same time MickD emerged, mom had to go get a paying job cause pop no longer earned enough to allow her to stay home.

Now, the "Super"markets are filled with row after row of pre processed, high fructose corn syrup crap with lots of calories but very little actual nutritional value and mom is much more likely to get a box of crap and bring it home and nuke it. Actual cooking is becoming such a dying art that it has achieved an almost cult status called the "slow food movement".

On a trip to Costa Rica a few years ago, One thing that really got my attention was that "normal" folks, for the most part, looked, well, normal. The massive, morbid obesity you see in this country simply was the exception, not the rule. Sad.

[Lucian]

55. Do they do nude modeling?

If they do, I'm going to need that magazine and a bunk.

[BlueIris]

57. Plus. And tipping into the realm of point-of-no-return weight problems. nt

[Scout]

80. :rofl: what a narrow view n/t

[graywarrior]

63. They are stunning!

[Codeine]

66. Beautiful, but clearly plus sized. nt

[Hepburn]

67. No way are those 3 plus size...they are normal and beautiful. n/t

[seabeyond]

68. they are normal. they are beautiful. and they have to be 16 and beyond. that is plus. nt

[Codeine]

70. In America plus has become normal.

Our perception is skewed.

[snooper2]

69. As people become fatter and fatter what is "normal" changes

Just like cars..

Trucks keep getting bigger and bigger (Even though you can still haul the same 4x8 sheet of drywall in the bed :eyes:

So now the "normal" truck today would have looked like a jacked up monster in the 80's...

Same thing with small cars.



So now everyone walking around at 200+, of course a 160lb woman is going to be the new "normal"

[Deep13]

78. That seems to be true.

People are evolved to survive on far fewer calories than the average American eats and with a lot less body fat. However attractive these women appear (quite a bit) they may still be overweight from a medical point of view.

[smirkymonkey]

81. Remember, the camera adds 10 pounds.

Also, I think we need to distinguish the difference between Plus Size MODELS and Plus Size WOMEN - obviously, Plus Size Models are probably around size 8-12, whereas Plus Size women would probably start at size 14 and above.

[seabeyond]

86. these women are not between 8-12. nt

[BreweryYardRat]

71. Yeah, that's not plus.

That's a healthy weight.

My last ex was plus-sized. Very fun in the sack.

[pink-o]

73. I think they look gorgeous. If I was a guy, I'd prefer that look to the skinnies.

But full disclosure: I am a skinny chick. 6'1" 140 lbs and I wear a Size 4. With women like that considered "normal" it just makes it that much harder for me to go clothes shopping!

[Iggo]

75. My bunk.

I'll be in it.

[tblue]

76. Oh those poor hideous creatures!

:sarcasm:

[Deep13]

77. You're probably right, but you had better send all three over here for me to know for sure.

:evilgrin:

[Taverner]

82. I'll take the redhead on the right, please

Oh - I'm married?

Oops - forgot about that again

[yawnmaster]

83. Why are they in a restaurant in their underwear?

And why do they keep climbing on the furniture?

[applegrove]

85. Did you hear the one about the pregnant model? Turns out she just ate an egg for breakfast! LOL!

[seabeyond]

87. that is funny. nt

[av8rdave]

88. I am LOVING this thread!!!