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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-29-11 04:56 AM
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I should post of a trap that is set.
Mostly for good form, and to help any that can see avoid the trap. It is where some literalist apply a wrong view on those sharing much love and kindness with many people. They then only see a literal version of a certain verse.

It is a nightmare version that leads many to that trap. The trap of throwing innocence into a furnace, and innocence does not burn in the fire.

Yet many times thinking on fire lions and fire birds, I do know some can not see the actions and caring of their actions, and only find a pattern match to continue there arrogance, and self serving bias.


Or in simple language, do you see by the symbol, or by the action, and when picking the symbol, is it the one you like to see, or the truth of action.

Do you throw an innocent person in a furnace?

and by doing so you face the fire lions and fire birds.

Highlander- there can be only one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOs2OTgofII


These are really great songs. :loveya:

Sarah McLachlan - Loving You Is Easy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEetdGN93SE



Brothers in Arms - Dire Straits
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1414069/brothers_in_arms_dire_straits/

Bonnie Raitt - I Can't Make You Love Me
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nW9Cu6GYqxo

Bonnie Raitt - Nick of Time
http://www.123video.nl/playvideos.asp?MovieID=407128

Nickelback - If Everyone Cared
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IUSZyjiYuY



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PuffedMica Donating Member (584 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-29-11 07:24 PM
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1. A set trap is a challenge for some people to un-set it
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-30-11 02:48 AM
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3. I understand that doctrine.
Edited on Mon May-30-11 02:50 AM by RandomThoughts
It says those that are heroic in action, walk into a trap.

That trap being you don't have to be, and it doesn't do anything. Same as 'everything controlled' or 'no free will' doctrine. Or everything occurs as it is suppose to occur doctrine.

Although people are not heroic becuase of the cheese or to avoid a trap, but becuase things should be better for more people.

There are some that think they have to suffer to help other people, I don't believe that, but know in an imperfect world sometimes helping people is hardship.

I know that doctrine, it is about not caring. Posted about that many times, and it also is what is said in the movie Devils Advocate, if you listen to the 'set the guilt down' speech. You can understand the doctrine of those that say people should not care.

That speech errors by not understanding free will choices of people can create hardship for other people, or can add joy to others lives.

That metaphor is wrong in my view, You have to believe helping people as having no value to believe that doctrine. Then from there think it is arrogant to think you can change anything. The idea of total control of everything. I state that if people are not part of existence, and can not shape that existence, then they don't exist. So to exist, you must believe you have the ability to make things better or worse, and once you think that way, you choose what you think is better.

Saying you can't make a difference, or someone else, including the divine, will do it all, is a bit of an excuse to not try to make things better.

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ohnoyoudidnt Donating Member (250 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-29-11 08:41 PM
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-30-11 03:02 AM
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4. Unbreakable Movie reference.
Edited on Mon May-30-11 03:29 AM by RandomThoughts
Already past that scene.

:)


Unbreakable The Orange Man
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-waJsBs0eBQ


Although be-careful of what is loaded in the macro for you about colors. There are many ideas of what different colors mean. Look at the action not the symbol.


Some think it is about him drinking beer, crazy isn't it. Maybe it was becuase he didn't like beer, or used it wrong ways.


And I am due beer and travel money and many experiences.

Side note, That movie also has Unbreakable character freeing the children, and then the children helping him also, again the Han Solo story, and about friends.



Brothers in Arms - Dire Straits
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1414069/brothers_in_arms_dire_straits/

Bonnie Raitt - I Can't Make You Love Me
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nW9Cu6GYqxo

Bonnie Raitt - Nick of Time
http://www.123video.nl/playvideos.asp?MovieID=407128

Nickelback - If Everyone Cared
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IUSZyjiYuY


Highlander- there can be only one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOs2OTgofII
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-11 01:19 AM
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5. Here is the thing.
Edited on Tue May-31-11 01:23 AM by RandomThoughts
I been trying to talk about label trap. That is taking some marketed word, and applying it to every situation. Not seeing the why of the action.

To be fair on that, something like color, in the case of that video, orange, can be the same thing for some. In the actual movie I think the jump suit was red anyways, Night Shalam used blue and red coloring for dramatic scenes in many of his films.

But my point is the color becomes a symbol of a noun, the color prisoners would be put in, color of Jump suits in Star Wars.

But what is trying to be accomplished is to see how symbols are being used against people, and how those things can convey meaning without someone thinking and feeling on it. To do that, flipping back on itself, helps question should people be thinking by symbols.

And every man must die would include the orange 'man' anyways. Although healing is better.


On CNN I saw one news caster laughing about a comment on Goat entrails, another news caster making correlations to a few posts and laughing about a crying child.

In each of those examples, they spoke in symbols, that people would only know if they had seen something else, a form of code to hide what they think, and instead of freeing the children, they make them cry as they catch the symbols, without the meaning. It is good that they can find joy in many things, and I am also glad they are pointing out many problems in society.

And a person on fire that does not burn, is not the same as those that do.

Goat entrails comes by some that think they know right from left. Entrails are also in the Sword of truth book also.




And anyone that thinks, that my comment on Unbreakable was a response to the tarp comment.

Someone asked where I would go with beer and travel money, I posted where as an answer.

"wherever people are" That is from the movie Unbreakable.
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RedCloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-11 09:05 AM
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6. My momma done told me to shut my trap.
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