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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 02:07 PM
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Been thinking on the beer and travel money.
Had many pages of thoughts that could be typed but said before.

So, simplifying it.

Beer and travel money and many experiences are due from years ago, that has not been paid. There is a spiritual metaphor for that also, and I think some things in the world are improving.

However if the debt of physical beer and travel money is not paid, there is not balance in life, and then the lack of that payment can be used to make the world better. Making the song 'the voice' type of an equation.

Celtic Woman - The Voice
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaqQnhBtxaI

Treating someone wrong and then if they help people because of that, is the same as doing something because of terrorism, including economic terrorism and is not good.

So if you wonder why many of my posts might not make sense, or even are more story like, it is because I am not going to do something because the debt has not been paid, because that would be using that debt to motivate, and the lack of payment of that debt is a wrong action.


But anyways, that debt of money needs to be paid, for that to happen.

Someone with more then they need must know it needs to be paid.

Someone must decide to pay it as a gift with no strings.

And someone must know where to pay it.


I have noticed there are the standard 'tricks' things like trying to get a person to look for it, or contact someone although that is carrot, since if someone is stealing, then they could do the same thing with various blockers in other ways. And if someone is blocking things, then they do owe the debt of blocking years of thoughts, and that is a personal collection.

But anyways, either it is censorship, or people deciding not to, so education is used, but with choice.

But during that whole time, no damage to those individuals is done to avoid the debt of beer and travel money being used to get me to do something, nor do I think that I need to do anything for any group, since it is already due. Also why I converse on so many different groups.

I do think the world should be more just and compassionate, because that's what I have always thought, while of coarse there being balance. It is possible existence is not just and compassionate, but if that was the case, then there would not be any reason for an existence, so all decisions must be based on society moving to more justice and compassion. Not because a person can be sure of that, but because if it is not true, existence does not matter in any form, and that is how the 'no free will folks' get led to despair. Long topic.


So the debt not being paid, needs a reckoning, but not by my decision, or that reckoning would be me doing something because the wrongful action of not paying the debt to me. Which would be doing something because of terrorism.

So the reason I do not think purges are a good idea, nor think 'this or that' individual should be hurt in anyway, is because that would be giving into the terrorism of them not paying that debt that is due, by choosing to hurt someone. Quite simply, it explains why vengeance does not make sense for a person to do.

However, the money for beer and travel has not been paid, so not only am I not in balance, but neither is existence. Since an unjust action exist within a just state.

So that actual condition would logically cause the creation of many modifications to try and correct that error of balance. Creating vengeance in many ways.

So simply knowing the world should be more just, forces the world to become more just to exist in an ordered state. If I was to say the world should not be just and compassionate, then their would be balance in existence by not accepting justice with compassion, and the shifts would not occur.

Hence why I am due beer and travel money, and the better side wont pay it because the existence of that debt makes the world better, making them also unjust but with good intent, and the bad side wont pay it, because they can not understand the effects it will have on them when they do not. However the good side should know they are using a bad method by not paying that debt of beer and travel money to me, since they are using a bad action of that lack of payment, to force the world to become more just and compassionate, and that will eventually include some reciprocal action on them also.

So that's most of that.


Celtic Woman - A New Journey - Spanish Lady
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHOyPLSVam4
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eyepaddle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 04:16 PM
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1. Dude,
Edited on Mon Jan-31-11 04:40 PM by eyepaddle
your elliptical locution, intentionally fragmented sentence structure, obtuse non sequiturs, and context-known-only-to-you metaphors render your posts largely impenetrable to the standard reader.

Which is fine and all, but since you clearly put a fair amount of effort into these lengthy and frequent expositions--many of which are OPs, more than a few of which are tenously connected responses to soembody else's OP I have to wonder: do you have a point? Or is being extravagantly pointless your entire goal?
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 04:48 PM
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2. As I said, some can't understand it.
Edited on Mon Jan-31-11 05:08 PM by RandomThoughts
You might have to know the story.


A Knights Tale :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGoOo3hDpO0


And I am still due beer and travel money, and many experiences.


The posts for a few of the recent posts are about a story line that can be seen pretty clearly.
It is a story of Charlemagne after learning coercion is wrong, and that there are better ways then violence, if you want my opinion.
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eyepaddle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 05:01 PM
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5. Charlemagne?
Edited on Mon Jan-31-11 05:06 PM by eyepaddle
A related question (I won't go through the mundane details of explaing the relationship): May I ask who is that that you have pictured in your sig line? :)

I get a sort of "Twilight Zone Ward Cleaver" vibe from it, but I have no idea if that is your intent.

Edited because I forgot the smilie.
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theNotoriousP.I.G. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 05:38 PM
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15. I went to the Goodwill one time
looking for a Christmas present for a friend and found the perfect picture frame. It already had a picture in it of a middle aged couple with feathered hair and really bad chicklet teeth but I thought what the hell so I gave the frame to my friend with the couple's picture in it. I imagine the guy in RT's sig line is some guy named Hank.

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Joe Fields Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 06:48 PM
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16. You've never seen the famous actor Burgess Meredith?
And you are correct about the Twilight Zone. That photo was from one episode that Burgess Meredith starred in.
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eyepaddle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 07:13 PM
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19. Ah yes, Burgess Meredith!
I knew I recognized him, I just couldn't quite place him. I guess I just remember his later work more.
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eyepaddle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 05:09 PM
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7. One more question:
Is the movie A Knight's Tale good? I've always been a little curiouos, but time and other limitiations have always kept it from the top of my "to watch" list.
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 04:56 PM
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3. It's performance art. That's the only explanation.
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 05:18 PM
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That is not correct. It is not for performance.
Although it could be for 'show', 3rd defense, but each person needs to decide that for themselves.

It is art, art is a good way of communication, it is interesting, and shows the great talents of so many beautiful gifted singers and song writers. While also showing that there are many stories in much of the songs and stories.




I could just type, "I am due beer and travel money, and many experiences", but after a few years, more entertaining ways of saying the same thing is found.
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theNotoriousP.I.G. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 05:01 PM
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4. I'm just wondering
who it is exactly that owes him beer and travel money.
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 05:14 PM
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9. Amazing that this thread gets replies now.
:rofl:

And nobody owes me beer and travel money.

However beer and travel money is due, and many experiences.




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theNotoriousP.I.G. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 05:20 PM
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11. If nobody owes YOU beer and travel money
then can I claim it? I'm not a big beer drinker but travel money would sure come in handy. WHO needs to pay the beer and travel money?
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 06:57 PM
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17. I did not say it was not due.
And someone does need to pay it, just not anyone.

Nobody is held to pay it, that would be coercion, and no deals are made for it, that would be strings.


As far as who, they got some good music.

The Who. Tea and Theater
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x37SQrNY968

(Not about AstroTurf)

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Crystal Clarity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 05:18 PM
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10. I've been wondering about that very question myself for sometime now
Edited on Mon Jan-31-11 05:20 PM by Crystal Clarity
Maybe we could all chip in a couple of bucks to help rectify the situation. :think: Make check or money order payable to The RT Beer & Travel Money Fund... Hey, I'm semi-serious here!.. What say you Loungers?

On edit... Maybe not. What exactly is owed then RT? :shrug:

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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 05:02 PM
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6. I keep telling you
We need receipts, and your continued carping on beer and travel money indicates a serious imbalance in the checks that normally serve to keep the system running smoothly. Upstream, as it were, though it is clear that salmon are not involved. Perhaps if the iron will were more refined, there might be some direction (e.g., east). But there has never been any reason for reimbursement absent vouchers.
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 05:12 PM
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8. LOL
If I gave you vouchers, you would say they were forgeries or that they were not good enough, based on your view of what you want to think.

And I don't have to prove it to anyone actually.

It is a statement of fact, not necessary for you to believe it, but it being true has ramifications. If I was trying to convince you, that would be doing something to collect the beer and travel money that is due.
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EOTE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 05:21 PM
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12. I really enjoy your posts.
I don't think I've ever truly understood one, but that might be beside the point. Or it might be the point entirely. You seem to have a strong mind and interesting thought processes, your mind just works completely differently from mine.

I wholeheartedly agree that the world should be more just. I can't say for certain that anyone owes me beer and travel money, but I'd like to think that a number of people do.
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redwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 05:24 PM
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13. I want to know why we can't recommend Lounge threads.
Several here are certainly worthy enough. Maybe even worthy enough for beer and travel money!
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theNotoriousP.I.G. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 05:30 PM
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14. Will work for beer and travel money!
Seriously.
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-11 02:19 AM
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22. I a not working, even though the tea song indicates that.
Edited on Tue Feb-01-11 02:19 AM by RandomThoughts
I do have some things I do that I think are important, and get some help with, or some things that I find interesting. In a way maybe something I do is some form of work, but most likely that is friends in the songs defending me for the group that has an issue with people on strike. It is true dependent on what you think 'work' is, but I am not working for beer and travel money.



That is already due, why would I work for it if it has not been paid from before.


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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 07:06 PM
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18. Thanks for the nice comment.
And actually you point out an error in my post, so thank you, understanding is not a way to evaluate someone, that was an error of grouping everyone in groups, its more then that.


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dimbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-11 05:38 AM
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23. I don't really understand Ezra Pound, and so I don't make any
assumptions about what Ezra wrote. Doesn't mean I can't take my hat off to it. Count me in.
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 10:55 PM
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20. i wondered when the hustle for money was coming
the good hustler gets his or her beer/travel money paid on the spot, there is no "debt" that accrues, much less self pity that accrues

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kentauros Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 11:05 PM
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21. Have beer.
Will travel.

:hi:
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