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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 05:31 PM
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So how come it's "portuguese" (with two Us), but "Portugal" (with only
one U)?

I've never understood that.

(Just the kind of useless thing a manic brain like mine seizes on now and again.)

Redstone
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 05:34 PM
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1. It signifies that the G is hard, which would be less clear without the u.
Edited on Tue Oct-05-10 05:40 PM by BurtWorm
The spelling is borrowed from Portuguese.
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 05:35 PM
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2. It signifies that the **what** is hard? The second U?
Redstone
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 05:39 PM
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3. G
Sorry. Typing this on an iPhone. I repeat, that the g is hard.
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 05:42 PM
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4. Aha. Thank you. I had not known that about that language.
Redstone
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 06:16 PM
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7. G is soft before a, o, u, but hard before e, i.
Edited on Tue Oct-05-10 06:17 PM by Xipe Totec
Just as in Spanish, a 'u' is inserted before e, or i, to make them soft but then the 'u' becomes silent.

If the 'u' is to be sounded, it is marked with a dieresis.

That is why words like güero (blondie) have the umlaut or dieresis.

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Tuesday Afternoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 06:33 PM
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8. How then, would one pronounce Portugual ...?
what does that second "u" do in this case?
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 06:39 PM
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9. Yes, the second 'u' would be sounded in that case
Edited on Tue Oct-05-10 06:40 PM by Xipe Totec
cacophonically.
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Tuesday Afternoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 06:49 PM
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12. like this...
Port-u-gu-al

:shrug:
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 06:51 PM
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15. Exactly!
You have it right.
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Tuesday Afternoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 06:58 PM
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16. ok, thanks. Wanted to make sure I understood.
:)
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petronius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 06:43 PM
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10. Did you mean that the other way around? Portuguese and guero are
pronounced with the hard 'g', but without the 'u' it would be soft? If 'g' is hard before 'e', why is the 'u' needed?
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 06:46 PM
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11. No, I have it right
Portugese would be pronounced as if spelt Portukhese. Guttural, half way between an x and hacking a loogie.

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petronius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 07:08 PM
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17. Oh, I guess a hard g is harder than I thought. I think of
hard g as 'guh', and soft g as 'jeh'. So the guh-like sound in Portuguese is actually a soft g?
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 07:12 PM
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18. Yes. The hard G is closer to H as in Herbert, Soft G is like G in Geese nt
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petronius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 07:31 PM
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19. Interesting, I've learned a new thing today
Thanks! :hi:
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 08:28 PM
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20. Is that why it's called the G-spot? Because it's hard next to U, but soft next to I?
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-10 03:11 PM
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24. LOL!
:rofl:

Good one!

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mcollins Donating Member (506 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 05:52 PM
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5. Why do people misspell Finland all the time?
Sue me.
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 06:06 PM
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6. Do they? I did not know. How to they missspell it? "Finnland?" My doctor's last
Edited on Tue Oct-05-10 06:07 PM by Redstone
name is "Hautaniemi," whic I guessed to be North African, but turns out to be Finnish. I'd never have guessed it, given the absense of two Ks or two Ps together.

Redstone
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 06:50 PM
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14. It's a groaner pun
Edited on Tue Oct-05-10 06:50 PM by KamaAina
The name of Finland in Finnish, as shown on their hockey uniforms for instance, is "Suomi".
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mcollins Donating Member (506 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-10 10:34 AM
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21. yup.
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-10 12:18 PM
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22. And the Koreans' name for Korea is "Hankook." Dunno know why we don't
just use their names for their countries.

Redstone
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-10 12:27 PM
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23. Cool! That means Rev. Moon "puts the kook back in Hankook".
:P
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-10 05:19 PM
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25. Who does that?
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13. LOCKING. NO SEX THREADS.
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