A Terminator was sent back into time to kill Sarah Connor by Skynet.

[MrScorpio]

To save Sarah Connor, Kyle Reese is also sent back into time by John Connor.

Before the Terminator is destroyed, Sarah and Kyle do the nasty and John Connor is conceived.

Years later, an adolescent John Connor busts his mom, Sarah, out of a mental institution with the help of another Terminator, who was also sent back into time by the adult John Connor, this time to save himself and his mom from a shape shifting Terminator, who was also sent back in time by Skynet.

Sarah decides that she want to kill the scientist who was reverse engineering the remains of the first destroyed Terminator and blow up the lab before the shape shifter gets his claws on them.

Before you know it, the Scientist has a change of heart, but dies in an explosion, the shape shifter is toast, the second Terminator melts himself and John and Sarah ride off into the Mexican sunset.

Years later, Sarah is dead from cancer, and a young adult John Connor comes back to America, but tries to live under the radar. Skynet is about to come online just as a second, more technically advanced shape shifting Terminator is sent back into time by Skynet, this time with a mission to kill John Connor's future wife and give Skynet a computer virus laden jump start on Judgement Day.

And guess what, John Connor's rebel army sends another Terminator back into time to save John and his future wife, because Judgement Day is going to happen no matter what.

Anyway, Judgement Day pops off, John and his girl are tucked away in an underground bunker, both the good and bad Terminators are toast and Skynet starts its take over of the world.

Years later, John Conner is a captain in the Resistance, Skynet is kidnapping humans for some special project and Kyle Reese is in a bombed out L.A., where he runs into this guy who returned back from the dead named Marcus.

Marcus and Reese runs into some Terminators and get separated, just as the Resistance finds out about a coded signal that supposedly turns off Terminators.

Before you know it, Marcus turns out to be some kind of hybrid Terminator infiltrator, Reese is holed up in some Skynet hell, Connor has a piece of metal stabbed through him, the signal turns out to be a hoax and Resistance leadership gets hosed. But it all turns out OK.

Reese is saved, Connor keeps on ticking, Skynet's S.F. facility is blown up, all because Marcus saves the day, only to later sacrifice himself to save Connor.

Connor, Reese et al flies off into sunset to fight another day. Until...

A Terminator was sent back into time to kill Sarah Connor by Skynet.

To save Sarah Connor, Kyle Reese is also sent back into time by John Connor.

Before the Terminator is destroyed, Sarah and Kyle do the nasty and John Connor is conceived.

Years later, an adolescent John Connor busts his mom, Sarah, out of a mental institution with the help of another Terminator, who was also sent back into time by the adult John Connor, this time to save himself and his mom from a shape shifting Terminator, who was also sent back in time by Skynet.

Sarah decides that she want to kill the scientist who was reverse engineering the remains of the first destroyed Terminator and blow up the lab before the shape shifter gets his claws on them.

Before you know it, the Scientist has a change of heart, but dies in an explosion, the shape shifter is toast, the second Terminator melts himself and John and Sarah ride off into the Mexican sunset.

Years later, Sarah is dead from cancer, and a young adult John Connor comes back to America, but tries to live under the radar. Skynet is about to come online just as a second, more technically advanced shape shifting Terminator is sent back into time by Skynet, this time with a mission to kill John Connor's future wife and give Skynet a computer virus laden jump start on Judgement Day.

And guess what, John Connor's rebel army sends another Terminator back into time to save John and his future wife, because Judgement Day is going to happen no matter what.

Anyway, Judgement Day pops off, John and his girl are tucked away in an underground bunker, both the good and bad Terminators are toast and Skynet starts its take over of the world.

Years later, John Conner is a captain in the Resistance, Skynet is kidnapping humans for some special project and Kyle Reese is in a bombed out L.A., where he runs into this guy who returned back from the dead named Marcus.

Marcus and Reese runs into some Terminators and get separated, just as the Resistance finds out about a coded signal that supposedly turns off Terminators.

Before you know it, Marcus turns out to be some kind of hybrid Terminator infiltrator, Reese is holed up in some Skynet hell, Connor has a piece of metal stabbed through him, the signal turns out to be a hoax and Resistance leadership gets hosed. But it all turns out OK.

Reese is saved, Connor keeps on ticking, Skynet's S.F. facility is blown up, all because Marcus saves the day, only to later sacrifice himself to save Connor.

Connor, Reese et al flies off into sunset to fight another day. Until...

A Terminator was sent back into time to kill Sarah Connor by Skynet.

To save Sarah Connor, Kyle Reese is also sent back into time by John Connor.

Before the Terminator is destroyed, Sarah and Kyle do the nasty and John Connor is conceived.

Years later, an adolescent John Connor busts his mom, Sarah, out of a mental institution with the help of another Terminator, who was also sent back into time by the adult John Connor, this time to save himself and his mom from a shape shifting Terminator, who was also sent back in time by Skynet.

Sarah decides that she want to kill the scientist who was reverse engineering the remains of the first destroyed Terminator and blow up the lab before the shape shifter gets his claws on them.

Before you know it, the Scientist has a change of heart, but dies in an explosion, the shape shifter is toast, the second Terminator melts himself and John and Sarah ride off into the Mexican sunset.

Years later, Sarah is dead from cancer, and a young adult John Connor comes back to America, but tries to live under the radar. Skynet is about to come online just as a second, more technically advanced shape shifting Terminator is sent back into time by Skynet, this time with a mission to kill John Connor's future wife and give Skynet a computer virus laden jump start on Judgement Day.

And guess what, John Connor's rebel army sends another Terminator back into time to save John and his future wife, because Judgement Day is going to happen no matter what.

Anyway, Judgement Day pops off, John and his girl are tucked away in an underground bunker, both the good and bad Terminators are toast and Skynet starts its take over of the world.

Years later, John Conner is a captain in the Resistance, Skynet is kidnapping humans for some special project and Kyle Reese is in a bombed out L.A., where he runs into this guy who returned back from the dead named Marcus.

Marcus and Reese runs into some Terminators and get separated, just as the Resistance finds out about a coded signal that supposedly turns off Terminators.

Before you know it, Marcus turns out to be some kind of hybrid Terminator infiltrator, Reese is holed up in some Skynet hell, Connor has a piece of metal stabbed through him, the signal turns out to be a hoax and Resistance leadership gets hosed. But it all turns out OK.

Reese is saved, Connor keeps on ticking, Skynet's S.F. facility is blown up, all because Marcus saves the day, only to later sacrifice himself to save Connor.

Connor, Reese et al flies off into sunset to fight another day. Until...

A Terminator was sent back into time to kill Sarah Connor by Skynet.

To save Sarah Connor, Kyle Reese is also sent back into time by John Connor.

Before the Terminator is destroyed, Sarah and Kyle do the nasty and John Connor is conceived.

Years later, an adolescent John Connor busts his mom, Sarah, out of a mental institution with the help of another Terminator, who was also sent back into time by the adult John Connor, this time to save himself and his mom from a shape shifting Terminator, who was also sent back in time by Skynet.

Sarah decides that she want to kill the scientist who was reverse engineering the remains of the first destroyed Terminator and blow up the lab before the shape shifter gets his claws on them.

Before you know it, the Scientist has a change of heart, but dies in an explosion, the shape shifter is toast, the second Terminator melts himself and John and Sarah ride off into the Mexican sunset.

Years later, Sarah is dead from cancer, and a young adult John Connor comes back to America, but tries to live under the radar. Skynet is about to come online just as a second, more technically advanced shape shifting Terminator is sent back into time by Skynet, this time with a mission to kill John Connor's future wife and give Skynet a computer virus laden jump start on Judgement Day.

And guess what, John Connor's rebel army sends another Terminator back into time to save John and his future wife, because Judgement Day is going to happen no matter what.

Anyway, Judgement Day pops off, John and his girl are tucked away in an underground bunker, both the good and bad Terminators are toast and Skynet starts its take over of the world.

Years later, John Conner is a captain in the Resistance, Skynet is kidnapping humans for some special project and Kyle Reese is in a bombed out L.A., where he runs into this guy who returned back from the dead named Marcus.

Marcus and Reese runs into some Terminators and get separated, just as the Resistance finds out about a coded signal that supposedly turns off Terminators.

Before you know it, Marcus turns out to be some kind of hybrid Terminator infiltrator, Reese is holed up in some Skynet hell, Connor has a piece of metal stabbed through him, the signal turns out to be a hoax and Resistance leadership gets hosed. But it all turns out OK.

Reese is saved, Connor keeps on ticking, Skynet's S.F. facility is blown up, all because Marcus saves the day, only to later sacrifice himself to save Connor.

Connor, Reese et al flies off into sunset to fight another day. Until...

A Terminator was sent back into time to kill Sarah Connor by Skynet.


To save Sarah Connor, Kyle Reese is also sent back into time by John Connor.

Before the Terminator is destroyed, Sarah and Kyle do the nasty and John Connor is conceived.

Years later, an adolescent John Connor busts his mom, Sarah, out of a mental institution with the help of another Terminator, who was also sent back into time by the adult John Connor, this time to save himself and his mom from a shape shifting Terminator, who was also sent back in time by Skynet.

Sarah decides that she want to kill the scientist who was reverse engineering the remains of the first destroyed Terminator and blow up the lab before the shape shifter gets his claws on them.

Before you know it, the Scientist has a change of heart, but dies in an explosion, the shape shifter is toast, the second Terminator melts himself and John and Sarah ride off into the Mexican sunset.

Years later, Sarah is dead from cancer, and a young adult John Connor comes back to America, but tries to live under the radar. Skynet is about to come online just as a second, more technically advanced shape shifting Terminator is sent back into time by Skynet, this time with a mission to kill John Connor's future wife and give Skynet a computer virus laden jump start on Judgement Day.

And guess what, John Connor's rebel army sends another Terminator back into time to save John and his future wife, because Judgement Day is going to happen no matter what.

Anyway, Judgement Day pops off, John and his girl are tucked away in an underground bunker, both the good and bad Terminators are toast and Skynet starts its take over of the world.

Years later, John Conner is a captain in the Resistance, Skynet is kidnapping humans for some special project and Kyle Reese is in a bombed out L.A., where he runs into this guy who returned back from the dead named Marcus.

Marcus and Reese runs into some Terminators and get separated, just as the Resistance finds out about a coded signal that supposedly turns off Terminators.

Before you know it, Marcus turns out to be some kind of hybrid Terminator infiltrator, Reese is holed up in some Skynet hell, Connor has a piece of metal stabbed through him, the signal turns out to be a hoax and Resistance leadership gets hosed. But it all turns out OK.

Reese is saved, Connor keeps on ticking, Skynet's S.F. facility is blown up, all because Marcus saves the day, only to later sacrifice himself to save Connor.

Connor, Reese et al flies off into sunset to fight another day. Until...

A Terminator was sent back into time to kill Sarah Connor by Skynet.

To save Sarah Connor, Kyle Reese is also sent back into time by John Connor.

Before the Terminator is destroyed, Sarah and Kyle do the nasty and John Connor is conceived.

Years later, an adolescent John Connor busts his mom, Sarah, out of a mental institution with the help of another Terminator, who was also sent back into time by the adult John Connor, this time to save himself and his mom from a shape shifting Terminator, who was also sent back in time by Skynet.

Sarah decides that she want to kill the scientist who was reverse engineering the remains of the first destroyed Terminator and blow up the lab before the shape shifter gets his claws on them.

Before you know it, the Scientist has a change of heart, but dies in an explosion, the shape shifter is toast, the second Terminator melts himself and John and Sarah ride off into the Mexican sunset.

Years later, Sarah is dead from cancer, and a young adult John Connor comes back to America, but tries to live under the radar. Skynet is about to come online just as a second, more technically advanced shape shifting Terminator is sent back into time by Skynet, this time with a mission to kill John Connor's future wife and give Skynet a computer virus laden jump start on Judgement Day.

And guess what, John Connor's rebel army sends another Terminator back into time to save John and his future wife, because Judgement Day is going to happen no matter what.

Anyway, Judgement Day pops off, John and his girl are tucked away in an underground bunker, both the good and bad Terminators are toast and Skynet starts its take over of the world.

Years later, John Conner is a captain in the Resistance, Skynet is kidnapping humans for some special project and Kyle Reese is in a bombed out L.A., where he runs into this guy who returned back from the dead named Marcus.

Marcus and Reese runs into some Terminators and get separated, just as the Resistance finds out about a coded signal that supposedly turns off Terminators.

Before you know it, Marcus turns out to be some kind of hybrid Terminator infiltrator, Reese is holed up in some Skynet hell, Connor has a piece of metal stabbed through him, the signal turns out to be a hoax and Resistance leadership gets hosed. But it all turns out OK.

Reese is saved, Connor keeps on ticking, Skynet's S.F. facility is blown up, all because Marcus saves the day, only to later sacrifice himself to save Connor.

Connor, Reese et al flies off into sunset to fight another day. Until...

A Terminator was sent back into time to kill Sarah Connor by Skynet...

[proteus_lives]

1. The series kinda faded but the first movie is still one of best pieces of dark sci-fi.

[MrScorpio]

2. I really didn't get into the TV series

Which is why I left it out

[proteus_lives]

3. I meant the movie series.

I never got into the TV version.

[realisticphish]

5. It took me an episode or two

but it kind of drew me in.

Plus, I just like Summer Glau. She makes a great unlikely but still believable badass

[MilesColtrane]

19. She made a great mad scientist in the Joss Whedon's "Dollhouse".

That was another interesting series that I just discovered when it was summarily cancelled by Fox.

Apparently I have reverse-Midas-touch eyeballs.

[Xithras]

14. It took a few episodes, but it was actually a good series.

I was skeptical at first, but it drew me in.

Sadly, like all good SciFi series on Fox, it was sent to the great Cancel Bin in the sky long before its time. I don't think Fox has done a single SciFi series right since the X-Files (well, OK, Fringe is pretty damned good too, and they haven't cancelled it yet).

[Lilith Velkor]

16. The TV series is much better than the third and fourth films, IMO

Instead of a stable time loop like in your OP, it has multiple timelines. Take that, Fate!

[sakabatou]

4. Kinda reminds me of Big O

Kinda.

[DFW]

6. I had no idea a Belgian internet provider was so evil

skynet.be is one of the biggest in Belgium. It is just a cover for Terminators. Who knew?

[Bossy Monkey]

7. Terminator 5: Groundhog Day n/t

[qb]

8. Marcus is cute.

[RandomThoughts]

9. Many sequels diverge quite a bit from the intents of the originals.

From observations, there are some people that when they see an inspiring film, they then make a sequel to change the meaning.

Most things rotate and do not stay in one place long, so it is rare when a series can continue past a first movie with good story telling. It could be due to challenges people have when they have some success.

Star Wars is an exception, and many books under the radar also are exceptions, but you can see biases and other goals in many movies, and you can also see abrupt changes in the ideas in stories in remakes and many sequels. Many TV series do the same thing, you can see when they change from one idea to another.

In other words, I have not seen past T3, but doubt the series or the later movies have the same concepts as the earlier ones. And there were some interesting thoughts in T1 and even T2


Note also that T2 had the typical suicide ending that is in so many movies, that is usually a tell that it is not of best source. Although it is an interesting movie. Then again, I don't believe in temporal lore anyways.

I think the ending of T2 was suppose to be more like Fire Jumping and redemption, and that part did not get into the movie. But that is just my thoughts on that movie.

Or you could say it fits ring of power put in mount doom, or even lake of fire ideas, but again those are just thoughts on some common themes in many stories. Really the no free will parts of terminator in T2, where he had to do what people say, matches some doctrines regarding oppressed things and some beliefs on those topics from many people also.

You can see things like those movies in many ways.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

10. The entire series is a struggle between fate-ists and anti-fate-ists. -nt

[RandomThoughts]

11. I don't think that was the themes in the original.

It seemed to be more about how anyone can make a difference, and getting help from the most unlikely of places, and how it can get a person to where they need to be. It uses the time travel metaphor, but it tells a story that is told in many places.

And the contrast between the unfeeling predator, versus the loving protector. Also has the concept of the protector being pure, although uses some basic representations of that, and having a hard life, again a theme in many places.

Even the end of T1 where the terminator was a skeleton can be seen as death side, another common theme. Red eyes is used in many places also. Really many consistent ideas in that film.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

12. I'm talking about the screenwriters.

T3, for example, can be condensed as, "No, you poopyhead T2 screenwriter, there IS TOO such a thing as inevitable fate, so there!"

[RandomThoughts]

15. Theoretically Inevitable fate is only possible for a time traveler.

Since only then would a path be know before it happens. And only in singleverse universe not multiverse.

Although I don't believe in temporal lore, nor fate. Fate is really simplistic, basically for some event to occur there can be many free will paths to get there with many different people, so something can be assured to happen while people have free will, I like to think of it like that.


The idea of fate is a great way to get people to accept things as they are though. It is a pacification and status quo idea.

Fate can also be used for good thoughts, 13th warrior speaks about using fate ideas to strengthen a person.


There are also people that speak of peoples 'lots' in life. That is same thing, it can be thought of as a way to justify some situation as some way that it is suppose to be. But that is silly, since if things change for a person, then that is there lot also.

[Yavin4]

13. What About The Part Where The Terminator Was Sent Back To Become Governor of California

who then proceeded to destroy the economy of California.

[edbermac]

17. Why does a machine from the future have an Austrian accent?

:shrug:

[MilesColtrane]

20. Why can't clothing time travel?

It too, is dead, carbon based material, just like a Gropenator.

[proteus_lives]

21. The deleted scene explains it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kayFrIR-Qfw

Ha.

[MicaelS]

18. And your point is what?

They're stuck in a loop? No, I think not.

Every single entity in the series is operating on insufficient intelligence. No one is omnipotent, not even Skynet.

Just in the first film...

Skynet certainly is working on insufficient intelligence. It obviously doesn't now Reese was Connor's father, else it would have been much simpler to kill John by killing Reese uptime, rather than try to kill Sarah downtime.

The first T-800 doesn't have all the knowledge. It just knows the name Sarah Connor. It got its info from Skynet. Reese admits the records were lost, confused, destroyed.

Reese volunteers with insufficient intelligence. He doesn't know fated to die, nor that he's John's father. Uptime John has deliberately lied to him.

Sarah doesn't know shit, she only knows what she is told by Reese, and we know he has insufficient intelligence, and has been lied to.

And that is just the first film.

And in case you didn't know, the series was supposed to end with T2. The novelization of the film at the very beginning, explicitly showed the end of the Future War, the destruction of Skynet, and the sending back in time of Reese and the second T-800. It was left unfilmed due to cost.

And the final ending sequence of T2, which was cut, but is on the DVD, shows an old Sarah with John and his children alive uptime in a peaceful world.

Every film could be a slightly different worldline, and that could be the reason for the inconsistency.

[RandomThoughts]

24. A baby is commonly a symbol for something created.

So the whole concept of Reese and Sara having a child could be seen as Reese giving Sara something that created an idea that changes things. You can see the baby metaphor in many places.

Even in the films there is one scene where Sara talks to the terminator about women being able to create, and the terminator never creating anything, again not a gender idea but the comparison from those that create and those that destroy.

The incomplete information of Reese also fits the concepts of 'There is a difference from knowing the path and walking the path" In some thoughts the idea of knowing to much can keep a person from finding what they need to find.


It should be noted that Arnold decide to not play any villains in any films some time after T1, he decided that it would help his image to only play good guys in films. I would guess T2 was written in part around that concept, since he was fitted in as a good guy in that film.




AC/DC - Thunderstruck
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvoeeq-BH4w

[pokerfan]

22. Great stuff

Great stuff. I could make a career out of this guy. See how clever it is? It doesn't require a shred of proof. Most paranoid delusions are intricate, but this is brilliant.

[MicaelS]

23. And there's a Terminator Wiki...

http://terminator.wikia.com/wiki/Terminator_Wiki

[Dr. Strange]

25. I know where I came from—but where did all you zombies come from?