Is nothing fucking sacred anymore? They fucking ruined Mexican Coke!

[Sebastian Doyle]

Just got back from dinner at a new Mexican restaurant in town. Food was great, and I saw they had Mexican Coca Cola, so of course I ordered one. Thought it tasted a little "off" at first, but figured that it was just because it wasn't as ice cold as I usually drink it. Then I checked the label....

High.Fructose.Corn.Poison.

WHAT THE FUCK??? :wtf:

Now I can't even get a drinkable bottle of Coca Cola for three times the price?

This is bullshit. When are they bringing back the Pepsi/Dr. Pepper throwbacks? :evilfrown:

[SunnySong]

1. I ordered Mexican coke last week and I swear the shit was 50% baby laxative...nt

[The Midway Rebel]

2. Nooooooo!

At least we still have Jarrito's.

:cry:

[Sebastian Doyle]

3. And they're putting that in plastic bottles now

So it doesn't taste the same either. I'm not a regular Jarritos drinker, since the stuff is a little sweet for my tastes, but I'll pick one up every once in a while. Or did when it was in glass bottles anyway.

[The Midway Rebel]

6. Guess I will be stuck paying through the nose for some of this!

http://losttrailsoda.com/


mmmm...microbrewed.

[Sebastian Doyle]

7. And theres always Jones

http://www.jonessoda.com/

I believe they're distributed all over the country now.

[Seneca]

4. Do not despair yet

On the labels on bottles which have sugar, it says it MAY contain EITHER high fructose corn syrup or sugar, THEN the fine print verifies which. You happened to get one with the HFCS.

But based on the labels I have seen, that is something they have been doing for some time. So don't give up yet!

[Sebastian Doyle]

5. That's how it started here in the US in the mid 80's

And before you knew it, it was all MonSatan's mutant poison. Everywhere :puke:

[Name removed]

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[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

39. I didn't see the deleted message above, but I'm willing to bet WHO posted it.

Username similar to discussed product... right?

[Sebastian Doyle]

40. Oddly enough, no.

He's been strangely absent from this thread, so far.

(Not that I'm complaining....)

[Arctic Dave]

8. As long as they keep their hands off my cerveza and tequila

[Sebastian Doyle]

9. Well here's some good news: Dr. Pepper is coming back

Dr Pepper orders sugar for 125th anniversary

By EMILY FREDRIX (AP) – 4 days ago

NEW YORK — Dr Pepper is prescribing some sugar this summer in honor of its 125th anniversary, the latest in a series of moves by soda makers to temporarily swap out high fructose corn syrup.

The spicy soda made by Dr Pepper Snapple Group Inc. is rolling out Dr Pepper "Made With Real Sugar" this weekend through early September.

Cans and bottles will feature old logos in the company's deep red, and colorful designs with lions and bright swirls of color harkening back to the 60s. Popular phrases such as "I'm a Pepper" also appear.

There are six different can designs. The company wanted to bring back the sugar version to help highlight its past, which dates to the creation of Dr Pepper by pharmacist Charles Alderton in Waco, Texas, in 1885.

Dr Pepper declined to say if it will try out sugar in other brands such as Canada Dry, 7-Up and A&W Root Beer.

<snip>

More could be coming. PepsiCo's Sierra Mist line will now be reformulating into a sugar-sweetened version called "Sierra Mist Natural," according to a report Thursday by trade publication Beverage Digest. PepsiCo, based in Purchase, N.Y., did not return messages seeking comment.

The industry switched to high fructose corn syrup in the 1970s as a cheaper alternative to sugar, said Gerry Khermouch, editor of Beverage Business Insights.

There seems to be growing demand for it, as evidenced by Pepsi's success with Throwback, even the second time around, he said. But drink makers are also wary of sending a message that there's anything wrong with high fructose corn syrup.

"In some ways their worst nightmare is that this thing sells through the roof, because then that's telling them something about how consumers feel about their product," he said.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gPkeChDvFTGVZxXEIjp7KYGij2ZAD9GMUT2G0

Well make no mistake about it. That IS how we feel about it. Dump the corn poison already, and use the sugar.

[tigereye]

15. great! HFCS is so bad for people anyway, in terms of empty calories for a start

[qb]

11. I believe you can still stock up on kosher Coca-Cola during Passover.

[Sebastian Doyle]

19. Kosher Coke isn't very widely distributed though.

Presumably it goes to the markets with larger Jewish populations. Still haven't seen it in my "one synagogue town".

[bif]

12. I bought a bottle on Sunday

Not cheap. $1.60 for a 12 ounce bottle. But it was made with sugar. And it tasted like the coke of my childhood.

[snooper2]

13. Um, you aren't supposed to drink the water in Mexico

why would you drink a beverage made with Mexican water :P

[ipfilter]

24. Doesn't stop me from drinking Corona. n/t

[jobycom]

14. The label has always said "High fructose corn syrup and/or sugar"

or something like that. You just finally noticed it.

Here's some stuff you won't like to hear. It's up to the bottler to choose between hfcs and sugar. Most, but not all, Mexican bottlers choose sugar, and most, but not all, American bottlers choose HFCS, based on cost and availability. According to Coke's research, you can't tell the difference. Actually, I'm not sure their wrong. Odds are you've drunk American cokes with sugar and thought it was HFCS, and drunk Mexican Coke with HFCS and gloated over how much better it is.

There are other factors in the taste and feel of a coke than the sweetener. Just putting it in a glass bottle makes it taste better. Also, the Mexican Cokes have lower carbonation, so the feel is very different. Even the source of the water affects the flavor. Think about how many different tastes you get out of fountain drinks with coke.

It's like Barq's Root Beer. The national stuff in the plastic bottles is bland. In cans it is better, but to really get why it was so popular in Mississippi, you have to get a bottle from Mississippi. It's the same formula--HFCS, not sugar--but it tastes as different from the plastic bottled stuff as Mexican Coke tastes from the American Coke. I've heard explanations from the glass bottle to the source of water. No one seems to know for sure. But it's better.

Same with Mexican Coke. It's not just the sweetener, there's something else, too.

As for "poison," I'm a health nut who has long been on the case of HFCS, but if you think sugar is healthier, you should pay more attention. Neither is healthy, neither is healthier. You want to give up poison, stop drinking anything with sweetener. There's a lot of paranoid histeria about HFCS now, and the hype has made people forget that sugar is just as bad. I know you've heard otherwise, but don't believe it. One might have one advantage or another over the other, but the bottom line is that both will destroy your health about equally. I'm not defending HFCS, I'm condemning sugar. Both are poison in equal degrees.

[tigereye]

16. I'm not sure sugar is as bad, but then, I'm no chemist or nutritionist

I think it's about the taste and empty calories. Probably also that people drink too much sweetened soda, period.

[EOTE]

20. I regularly pick up Mexican Coke and definitely know the difference.

It's a little less sweet, but more refreshing. And I've compared bottles to bottles. I definitely prefer coke with sugar. As for HFCS being the same as sugar, I think we're hearing more and more about how processed foods (such as HFCS) are more detrimental to your health than unprocessed ones.

[jobycom]

22. Sugar is processed.

At least as much as HFCS. Maybe more, since HFCS at least has a food as its base, whereas anything resembling a digestable food has been stripped from sugar. Don't buy the hype. Both are equally bad.

As for Mexican Cokes, I've been drinking them longer than most people knew about them. They're easy to get here in Austin. I know the flavor quite well, and since Coke is the biggest addiction I have, I know the differences in flavors. Cokes taste different in cans than plastic bottles, it tastes different in glass bottles (American cokes, I mean) than in aluminum or plastic, and even in the same containers it tastes different. It tastes different if you drink it from a stainless steel cup than a glass, too.

I've gotten Mexican Cokes that were way too old and tasted different, I've gotten them flat even though the bottle was sealed. The ones that have the Peso lid taste different than the ones you get at Costco or HEB, and have more fluctuation in quality. There's often a variation in taste. I don't know what you tasted--maybe you did get one that had HFCS. But that isn't a sign that all of all Mexican Coke has gone to the dark side. Keep hope alive. :)

[EOTE]

23. I've never had Mexican Coke that was bad.

I generally get it from Costco and I think it's great. I actually drink less coke since I started getting it there because now I consider it to be more of a treat. And as for the bottle/can differences (my biggest issue is a slight alkaline taste in cans), yes I notice those as well, but it's less of a factor for me because I always drink it from a glass with ice, and at that point, the difference is lost for me.

As for sugar being processed, yes it's typically refined to varying degrees (white sugar, especially), but there are plenty of natural ways to get sucrose. There's no natural way to get HFCS, which starts as mostly starch and is processed to become glucose, which is then processed further to become fructose. There's no similar process to obtain sucrose from beets or sugar cane.

[jobycom]

25. You don't drink it as much as me, then.

That's a good thing. :)

White sugar isn't just a little refined. It is refined beyond any semblance to food. It can't be digested properly because it lacks all nutrients, so it saps vitamins and minerals from your body's store. It overworks your organs, especially liver, pancreas, and kidneys, and is probably a strong factor in chronic diseases of this organs. It lowers your immune system. It causes inflammation, which has been linked to cancer, heart disease, and the whole spectrum of bad things you don't want to go through. It's every bit as bad as HFCS. Laboratory experiments have been done showing that animals will live longer if they starve than if you feed them sugar and white flour.

To make sugar, they boil cane juice several times and add chemicals like acids and limes to leach out any "impurities." Impurities are all the minerals and vitamins and digestible food in the original food product. It is processed until it is basically a plastic derived from a food. To compare it to the original cane or beet it derives from is about as accurate as calling plastics dinosaur meat. They could make it from oil and it would be about the same nutritionally.

A soda with cane sugar is not one bit healthier than one with HFCS.

[EOTE]

26. I guess it's the end result that concerns me.

Yes, lime is added to form a precipitate in the unevaporated juice, but that's all removed. Yes, there's certainly far less of nutritional value once the sucrose has been removed, but that's kind of the point. Sugar is meant to be a sweetener and it would be a far less effective one if the other good portion of fruits and vegetables weren't removed. But when all is said and done, sucrose is natural. It's the same sucrose that you find in the sugar beets and cane it was derived from. The same can not be said about HFCS which doesn't occur naturally anywhere.

Another reason I feel that sucrose is better for you is simply how I feel after consuming a beverage sweetened with sugar as opposed to HFCS. HFCS always makes my teeth feel chalky for a good 20 minutes afterward, I never get that same feeling with sugar. Also, I feel less lethargic and in cases where I'd have a large quantity of the soda (20+ oz), I don't feel sick and bloated. I find Agave nectar to be even better in that regard than sugar. Agave is mostly fructose, but it has a lower glycemic index than either HFCS or sucrose, so it causes less severe spikes in blood sugar. I just can't believe that all combinations of fructose, sucrose and glucose in terms of sweeteners are processed by the body in the same manner.

[bif]

17. Try Trader Joe's

They have pop that is made with sugar.

[MicaelS]

18. Dublin Dr. Pepper might be your answer

http://www.dublindrpepper.com/

"Besides being the oldest Dr Pepper bottler in the world, Dublin Dr Pepper also has the distinction of being bottled with Imperial Pure Cane Sugar - the original Dr Pepper formula."

[RandomThoughts]

21. The chage from sugur to high fructose corn syrup

actually happened when 'new coke' was brought out. Then there was a group of people that wanted regular flavored coke back, and they put classic coke out, it was said to be like the original before new coke.

But it no longer had sugar and had corn fructose as sweetener.

That was when coke switched from sugar.

[fishwax]

31. actually, coke had been using HFCS for years before that

New Coke, however, did have HFCS--it was basically their Diet Coke formula with HFCS instead of artificial sweeteners.

[smoochpooch]

27. The existence of this thread makes me think we'll start seeing more sugar sodas again.

Throwback was (i think) successful for Pepsi last year, and the Dr. Pepper should do well too. I started buying Mexican Coke and Jarritos after Throwback went away, and I can tell from all the replies to this thread that there are more and more people who refuse to buy soda with HFCS. Eventually, they will start producing the sugar versions of Coke and Pepsi in the US full-time because the demand is there.

[hippywife]

29. You're probably right.

I knew it might have a good chance of going that way when I saw a bottle of Hunt's ketchup that said very prominently and highlighted on the front of the bottle in big letters: "No High Fructose Corn Syrup."

[applegrove]

28. I really miss the throwbacks. We don't get them here in Canada.

[Sebastian Doyle]

30. I was told that Canada still uses actual sugar, which would make the "Throwbacks" redundant.

Is that no longer true? Are they using the MonSatan poison up north now? :evilfrown:

[bif]

32. Not true.

They use HFCS just like we do. I was very disappointed.

[applegrove]

34. Classic coke hasn't tasted very good since they introduced "new coke".

I think it is HFCS.

[peekaloo]

33. Their weed is pretty crappy, too.

Oh, wait...

[carlyhippy]

35. I am SO P*ssed!!!! I cannot find throwback Dr Pepper ANYWHERE

They let us have it for a month or so, then POOOOF it's gone, and I am addicted to it, jerks!!!!!

[Sebastian Doyle]

36. Try again in a few days

They're supposed to be bringing it back this week, through the rest of the summer. Note the packaging is different this time around.....

old package ----->


new package ----->

[carlyhippy]

37. OMG!!!!!! I will be stalking the store aisles for this

then my nervous twitch shall stop ha...I am gonna buy cases and cases of this stuff!

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

38. BRAZIL. All coke, nay, all sodas, nay, EVERYTHING that takes sugar is made with real sugar.

One of the perks of being a huge sugar cane producer.

Come here. Do visit. Rio is very nice this time of the year.