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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 09:42 PM
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DU lawyers/non-profits/writers who need legal research or a paralegal
Edited on Wed Mar-24-04 09:45 PM by liberalhistorian
After three years of hard work, loyalty, and dedication, my boss has decided he needs more of a "secretary" than a "paralegal" (which is what I am and what my training is) and is bringing back his old secretary.

He is quite correct in that I lack the organizational and "secretarial" secretarial skills he needs, but I thought I'd proven myself these past few years. He's been patient for awhile with it, as he's said, and I had no idea he was thinking of bringing the old one back. We'd become friends, as well; he and his wife and I attend the same church, which is how I got the job in the first place (I'd known him before, he knew my paralegal background, and when I was out of work all those months after suddenly losing my job, he gave me a chance when his secretary went on maternity leave. When she decided not to come back except for doing the billing and bookkeeping, he took a chance on me even though I had no secretarial training at all and didn't know what the hell I was doing).

I have a hearing loss and wear hearing aids and he was more than patient with that, unlike other employers I've been unfortunate enough to experience. I also have a learning disability, and he was more patient with that as well. When I needed new hearing aids last year because my old ones finally conked out, he co-signed the loan so I could get them. He works with my son (who's 12) in the children's group at church. He saw past my superficial disabilities to my skills and my potential. Not only had I never had any secretarial training, despite having a B.A. AND a paralegal certificate, but I'd never had any experience as a one-person office, either, and I've grown tremendously these past few years, acquiring and developing skills and abilities I didn't have previously.

I had no idea he was even considering doing this, or that he was so unhappy with how things were being run in the office. I got a great review last year, after a not-so-great one the year before when I was still getting my sea legs. I especially thought that I was safe last month after an article appeared in the local paper about my organizing a county paralegal association, all on my own initiative, with a picture of both of us. I just didn't see this coming.

What he thought was that, while he needed a full-time secretary, I could be a research assistant and develop my own legal research and writing business using the office as a base, so I'd still be there (legal research and writing, including pleadings and briefs, is one of my greatest strengths and he considers me to be one of the best legal researchers/writers he's ever encountered). I set him straight on just how unrealistic that was, it takes months, if not years, to develop something like that, much less make any money at all. He's been talking to other attorneys and secretary/paralegals in the county all week, and they've confirmed that, so he was really upset since he thought he'd found the perfect solution for me because he wanted to still have me on board.

Most "paralegal" paralegal jobs are in Cleveland and its immediate surrounding suburbs, not in the suburban county where I am. While there are plenty of lawyers in the county, most are small and need more of a secretary than a paralegal, like my boss. And Cleveland is becoming saturated with paralegals, especially since some major law firms have just announced some deep cuts and layoffs.

So I've suggested that we do what a lot of attorneys do, and that's split the job both ways; she does the organizational/secretarial functions and I do the paralegal functions. I drafted a memo with specific details on how we could do it, and that it would be approximately four hours a day for each of us or however he wanted to split it up. That's also one of my strengths, creatively solving problems and coming up with original, specific ideas in many areas. I said that the rest of the time, I could do some of the sales work for the real estate title company he also runs (he's a real estate and business attorney), since the county sales rep quit suddenly a couple of months ago to take another job. I'm thinking mostly courier work and communications, since I'm not that thrilled about sales work and I don't have any sales experience other than political campaigns, if you can call that sales work. I did write a lot of the sales communications and brochures for the last sales rep, since writing's my greatest strength and she didn't really know how to do it.

My idea is to also market both the title company and the law firm, since most title companies don't have lawyers on board and that's a way to make the company stand out from the competition. And I'm very, very good at dealing with our legal clients, I've brought many in and have maintained relationships. A lot of the clients I've told about this are very upset, they don't want to deal with anyone but me and they didn't like the last secretary much. She is, frankly, a bitch who doesn't like dealing with people too much, with an attitude the size of Mt. Everest, and the clients didn't like dealing with her all that much.

I told my boss that it doesn't matter how organized and smoothly-running a law office is if the clients aren't happy and stay away. My boss knows this, which is why he'll let me continue working on several current cases. One client whose case we're working on threatened to take his five grand retainer and walk, which is what I told my boss he was gonna do. My boss is very intrigued by my proposal, and is trying to see how we could do it. But I'm not really that happy about it, truth be told. I'll go along with it, because I have to have a job and money, but I'm just sick about it, truth be told. I was finally secure and happy at a job, especially considering the rocky start, and thought I was doing well at it. And I also love working so close to home and my son's school.

I finally lost it at work tonight, after everyone had left, when he was talking about moving furniture around in MY office for the secretary and it really started hurting. He was very gentle and concerned, saying I'd done nothing wrong, it wasn't my fault, I had a lot of skills and abilities, I'd be taken care of and he'd make it work, etc., etc. But it just isn't the same. I don't want to see the other one working at MY job, the one I thought I was doing so well at before he pulled the rug out from under me.

The bottom line is that, as a single parent, I MUST have a STEADY, SECURE income, I MUST have a job. I'd love to go into business for myself, frankly, because I'm tired of trusting employers and doing the best job I can and being loyal only to get kicked in the face, (the only employer I'll ever really trust anymore now is ME) but I don't have the luxury of building one up full-time, I'm not married and I have a son to take care of.

He said if worse came to worse and my proposal didn't work, he'd lay me off so I could get unemployment and keep me and my son on their health insurance. I already write customized resumes and cover letters on the side for friends and family, as well as helping in putting together career portfolios (a new trend). I love doing legal research and writing, though, and I'd like to do it on a free-lance basis in addition to whatever job I end up with.

I'd like to expand it to other groups besides lawyers, because they're not the only ones who need it. Non-profit agencies often need legal research and analysis but many times can't afford to pay attorneys for such services. Writers will often need such a service as well. My boss will review, for legal accuracy, any work I do. So if anyone needs such a service, don't hesitate to PM me. And if you need a customized resume, cover letter, or help in putting together a career portfolio, let me know that as well. Maybe I'll be able to build up a good business after all!

And if any of you attorneys need a paralegal extraordinaire, or you know one who does, well, you know what to do!
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DeposeTheBoyKing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 09:44 PM
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1. I'm sorry to read this
It must be a terribly stressful time for you. I'm not a lawyer yet (give me another year and a half to graduate and pass the bar exam), but for what it's worth, if I were an attorney at this moment, I'd certainly hire you in a nanosecond!

Best of luck to you. I hope everything works out.
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 09:48 PM
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2. Thanks, you too!
I know how hard law school is and the toll it takes, hope you get through it okay!
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NightTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 09:48 PM
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3. It's times like this when I wish we weren't 550 miles apart!
I'd love to be there for you, Lisa, to offer moral support if nothing else.

This is so-o-o-o goddamned frustrating...!
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 10:06 PM
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6. Thanks, babe,
that really does mean a lot! And I wished I could have been there last week when your friend's father died. God, what a month we've both had, huh?

It's no wonder I hate March, I've always hated March, because everything bad has always seemed to happen then!
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nankerphelge Donating Member (995 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 09:53 PM
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4. I've known quite a few paralegals...
who should be lawyers. You sound like one. All of them felt law school wasn't an option because of their situation in life, i.e. kids, costs, lack of confidence, etc. I went to law school with single parents with children; they were able to get financial aid that was specifically available to non-traditional students. Probably not what you want to hear, but I thought I'd throw it out there in case you have even an inkling of interest.
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 10:05 PM
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5. I used to want it, but I'm
not really all that sure anymore. I know I would be more than capable academically, but I would have to do it part-time, which means at night. My son is almost a teenager and that wouldn't be fair to him because I'd be either working, at school, or studying. Again, if I were married to someone who could handle me being in school full-time, that'd be different.

That being said, lawyers are frankly becoming a dime a dozen anymore, they're getting laid off left and right, and I'm not sure there'd be much of a market anymore by the time I would finally finish in five or six years. I'm not spending all that time and money I don't have just to get out and not get a job.
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nankerphelge Donating Member (995 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 10:14 PM
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7. True
There's always a market for goodlawyers, but I know what yor saying. Still, you shouldn't count it out; I can honestly say that the brightest and most talented people in my law school class were people who were going back to school for a second career. I think the additional life experience gave them a leg up on the kids that went straight to law school from undergrad. It alo helped them get jobs come graduation too.
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 10:21 PM
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8. That's a good point,
I just don't think now would be a good time, though, especially with my son heading into the teenage years. Maybe when he's older. And at least I wouldn't have to worry about any of that $#($*%(#$$@)(%*$# secretarial stuff I can't seem to get a handle on (no offense to you secretaries, I have nothing but the utmost respect and admiration for you because I know what it requires).
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 10:55 PM
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9. Guess I'm not having
much luck on here, either. Oh, well. SIGH!
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NightTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-04 12:06 AM
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10. So, how long until the ax falls?
Is your boss champing (or it is chomping?) at the bit to get "the bitch" back into the fold? Or will he cut you some slack and "allow" you to draw a few more full-time paychecks before he shoves it up your ass and breaks it off?

I'd like to know because your financial situation affects me, too. At least, as far as our being able to see each other goes!
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-04 10:00 AM
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11. He wanted her to start on April 1, but
told me it was up to me, so I said no sooner than April 12. That was before I made my proposal, so I'll probably still be hanging around here at least part-time to do the "paralegal" stuff but I'm not sure yet how that's going to be handled.

He's also trying to figure out what to do about my sales suggestion, he wants to give it a go but hardly anyone else in the company does because, while I'm good with communications and have the "gift of gab" as he says, I have no sales experience. I'm not even sure I want to do that for more than what it would take to be a "stop-gap" measure until I found something else, which may take awhile given the economic situation around here.

Hell, I'm not even sure I want to do legal work anymore, if this is what's always going to happen and if there's always going to be secretarial stuff along with the paralegal stuff. I don't know what the hell I want to do. I really, badly, desperately wish I'd gotten a teaching certificate along with my B.A. in history and sociology!
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NightTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-04 10:46 AM
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12. This reminds me of why...
...I never do any more work on a job than I absolutely have to.

You can work your balls off, you can show an employer undying loyalty, and yet you can still find yourself unemployed through no fault of your own. Well, if I'm that goddamned disposable, then I'm going to slack off on the job as much as I can get away with and still get paid for it!

Fuck employers! Ain't one of 'em worth a pisshole in a snowbank. :grr::nuke:
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-04 11:31 AM
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13. Normally, I'd disagree, but
I'm fast starting to come around to that viewpoint! I even came in on Saturdays and stayed late whenever necessary, for all the fucking good it's done me.
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NightTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-04 03:14 PM
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14. Look at it this way
You'll finally have time to read my novel! :evilgrin:
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-04 03:56 PM
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15. LOL!
True enough, although hopefully I'll have something else lined up by then.
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