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Lost in CT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 11:06 AM
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Why do people in Glass Houses throw stones. (Pittbull chimp post)
Here is an anti pitbull screed....


"He won't hurt you". Check out this thread which popped up after a report of a child being killed in a pit bull attack. We can thank commenter scorp1101 for jumping right into it with the pit bulls are just fine and I know because I own one argument. The remainder of the thread is interesting for two reasons. First, a major theme among many posters seems to be that training (or lack thereof) is the root cause of problems, not something inherent in the breed. Second, it took until the second page of comments before someone said anything about the child who was killed. I guess there's nothing like perspective.

It would be naive to assume that a dog's behavior (or that of pretty much any animal) is entirely or even largely dependent on training and environment. To discount inherent biological factors is specious. The reality is that pit bulls have the "biological equipment" to inflict damage that other breeds, say basset hounds, do not. This statement simply reflects the obvious facts of biology; and it does not condemn all members of any given breed to a given behavior. We can make a parallel argument regarding humans using even smaller distinctions. For example, it is extremely unlikely that Mary Lou Retton could have become a basketball star. Similarly, it is extremely unlikely that Wilt Chamberlain could have become a world class jockey. These may be obvious, but it is also true that just because someone is very tall they will not necessarily become a great basketball player. That is, while much goes into the final outcome, we cannot simply discount gross biology. To claim that Mr. Chamberlain's success was due to his mental training alone is ignoring the 800 pound gorilla (or 7'1" center) in the room.

So far perfectly normal... this person hates Pitbulls and people who keep dangerous animals.

Okay

here is the person's business.





Am I the only one scratching their head over this

Full Link

http://scienceblogs.com/bushwells/2007/08/pit_bull_denialism.php

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MajorChode Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 11:11 AM
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1. Get ready...
There will soon be some posts about how the CDC has no idea what they are talking about and neither do you. Soon after the thread will get locked.
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Lost in CT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 11:13 AM
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2. Maybe you missunderstood...
I think it is funny that a Chimp sanctuary is on a rant about the dangers of pittbulls.


Kind of a pot meet kettle situation.
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MajorChode Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 11:18 AM
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3. I don't think it is a chimp sanctuary any more than DU is or isn't
So I think you misunderstood her blog in the first place and simply keyed off of the name.

As far as my misunderstanding, I understand this to be yet another thread intended to inflame the pitbull debate and I don't think I misunderstood that at all. I'm just trying to prepare you for the inevitable outcome.
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Lost in CT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 11:19 AM
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5. I could care less about the pittbull debate... that is so 2007
Chimps gone wild... thats where it's at.
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MajorChode Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 11:26 AM
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7. Yes, but many people don't share your modernistic ideology
Until pitbulls are eradicated entirely or every home either has a pitbull or acknowledges in writing that pitbulls are really loving creatures that would never harm a single soul, the debate will continue to rage despite any appeal to reasonableness, logic, or nausea.
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Lost in CT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 11:29 AM
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10. I have pitbulls in my neighborhood.
Edited on Thu Feb-19-09 11:29 AM by Lost in CT
They are well behaved and loving.

mainly because their owners are not scum or idiots.

But I'm only a few exits away from that crazed chimp incident... my eyes have been opened.


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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 11:19 AM
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4. Chimpanzees aren't common household pets though. (nt)
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 11:22 AM
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6. Ah yes, the ridiculous CDC data
The problem with pits is with idiot owners. Not with the dogs, but the dogs are the ones who end up having to pay.
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MajorChode Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 11:27 AM
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8. Right on que
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 11:28 AM
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9. The biggest issue with Pits right now is the breeding that has been going on
The breeding has been fucked up by so many people its very hard to know what you are getting UNLESS you go to a long time reputable breeder.

I don't blame the breed I blame the people (drug dealers, dog fighters) who have turned the breed into something it never should have been.

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