I'm watching UFC now. Safer than wading through all these Warren threads.

[derby378]

Don't get me wrong. I think Obama screwed up royally, and he risks alienating many gay Democrats who worked their fingers to the bone in order to get him elected.

Let's see - head kick, a knee, another knee, massive right hook, there's blood flowing from the poor guy's face as he hits the canvas - sheesh. Still, much safer than navigating yet another Warren thread.

I think I'm just worn out. And we still have a rescued kitty we need to try to place with a permanent home. At least it's the weekend.

[texanwitch]

1. I just been over there.

It is all Warren all the time.

I rather stay in the Lounge.

[SeattleGirl]

2. I think the UFC is probably less bloody than the Warren threads.

:scared:

[Radical Activist]

3. UFC is the gayest thing I've ever seen.

And I don't mean gay as an insult. I mean that it's incredibly homoerotic. It's basically two barefoot, muscular guys humping each other in their underwear. It always cracks me up when I see it on a big screen in a redneck sports bar.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

4. LostinVA and I say that all the time

We love UFC.

Another black belt from my karate dojo and I used to always make dirty cracks when we were in an "awkward" grappling position. She was totally straight, comfortable with joking about the positions we were in. I doubt two straight UFC guys would be making the same cracks though.

[Radical Activist]

6. oh no. of course not.

It's totally macho when they do it. I'm sure none of the men watching in macho sports bars ever have confused moments either. :rofl:
I have to laugh because I've seen groups of men glued to the TV watching it in places where I know they wouldn't react so well if two men came into the bar and started kissing.

Do they have women fighting on the show? I don't watch.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

8. I wish they had women fighters on the UFC

There's a lot of women doing MMA now, but the UFC doesn't want to allow them. Some of the smaller organizations give them pro fights, but they don't get real coverage because it's not UFC.

The UFC is stupid not to let women fight. The ratings would be huge. Men would tune in because it's two women fighting, and the women would tune in because it's two women fighting.

[Radical Activist]

9. Yep.

I might watch. I'd still prefer rollerderby though. Fast paced team sports are more interesting for me. And fishnets.

[derby378]

10. I think the TapOut guys are sponsoring some female MMA fighters

They're probably the first to market clothing especially for MMA fighters and fans - they even sold T-shirts at MMA venues bak when most of them were unsanctioned at best and just flat out illegal at worst.

With backing like this, I think veteran sponsors like TapOut and Affliction (one of their biggest competitors) could help bring women into a more prominent role in MMA events.

[ThePowerofWill]

15. Theres a good reason the UFC does not use women.

There just are not enough high level women fighting yet to have a consistent division. The best they could really do is the occasional female fight. This will change as more women come in and the talent pool deepens. On that note there is good news for ladies wishing to work under the Zuffa (UFC parent company) umbrella. Dana White has mentioned he may sign Gina Carrano, and Chris Santos for fights in WEC.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

16. Dana White has said repeatedly that he doesn't want women in the UFC

because he believes it will give it a "barbaric" reputation. He even said it when he mentioned signing Gina Carrano.

There's quite a bit of high level women fighting. You just don't hear about them because they don't get the publicity men. It's the same with female boxers and female basketball.

[ThePowerofWill]

17. Yes Dana said that, but

You can't take anything Dana says too seriously. First reason is Dana is just a figure head out front, Frank Ferttita calls the real shots. 2nd Dana says so and so won't or will never fight in the UFC, and yet they do ala Tito, and a couple others.

True there are a lot of high level women fighting, but not a lot of high level women fighting in MMA. You hit the octagon with a skill set that is not very well rounded you just end up seeing a squash fight. Thats one of the main problems with female MMA atm. Another is the weight factor. What few decent women who do fight MMA are scattered around the weight pool, so you end up often with a woman who should be fighting at say 125 fighting 135 just to get a fight. Or a woman fighting at 140-145 when they should be fighting much lower. You can also take Gina as an example, she should not be fighting 140 as she has a lot of trouble making that weight and often misses. However she does not have much choice as that where the fights are, or fighters. In fact Elite XC made the womens division 140 because Gina could not make 135 period. So what you get is some much smaller girl packing on weight, and Gina cutting a bunch of weight.

When more women come in and fill the gaps with well rounded skill sets, and add more numbers and body types to round out weight classes you will see women in the UFC. The UFC just can't make a functioning female division just yet. All you would see were squash matches with one or two competitive fights out of the whole nine yards, and once you have those one or two good fights theres just nothing exciting to do for the division.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

18. As someone in full-contact karate, I would say your post is bullshit and sexist

Women are just as brutal, if not more, than men, sparring. Calling it a "squash" match is belittling and sexist, as if there just aren't a lot of women who are capable of putting up a good fight.

The weight classes could be adjusted pretty easily, so that's a bullshit argument.

I think you just have as much a problem with women fighting as Dana White does.

[ThePowerofWill]

21. As someone who has fought professionally i call your post reactionary,.

If you take one woman/man who has a top level skill set and put her in with a woman/man with a b or c level skill set you see a squash match. The A level fighter will destroy the b or c level fighter. Another example, if you take a great boxer and throw them in the cage with a wrestler/grappler 99 of 100 the purist gets owned. Same with weight classes take two equally skilled fighters and the bigger one wins 99 of 100 times.

And no weight classes are not adjusted so easily. Too many body type variables, some tall and slim, some shorter and stockier, some tall and stocky. Same with men, some people are best suited to a particular weight for competition due to body type. Not bullshit, you just have no idea what you are talking about. There are weight classes for a reason.

Also i never said anything about women being less tough, or unsuited. All i said is the womens division is too thin, and with time and the introduction of more women into MMA things will clear up. You just can't build a division with so few fighters separated by skill sets, and weight. It's not fair to ask a 130lb Julie Kedzee to fight a 160lb Gina Carrano, or ask a newish one dimensional fighter just coming in, to fight a good solid well rounded fighter.

[derby378]

12. I could probably top that...

A few years back, I was watching a sports documentary on ESPN or something like that, and they profiled a high school wrestling team in which one of their members was female - and that means she competes against other guys. There was a lot of resistance to this at first, partially because a lot of grappling moves would require her to be grabbed "down there" and there was a lot of concern of sexual harassment and even molestation during a match. Surprisingly, however, there was very little of that when she did wrestle, and her teammates (whom she spars with in practice) have pretty much gotten used to the idea that sometimes they just need to grab her crotch and focus on solidifying the hold so she doesn't break free. And the female wrestler takes it all in stride. She is, after all, one of them.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

13. Yeah...it's something you get over really quickly

Grabbing guy's crotches and getting mine grabbed pretty much is something you have to get over in wrestling, MMA, or self-defense based martial arts.

There was a female wrestler when I was in HS. Everyone got over it real fast. She was also a cheerleader, and now she's a female boxer.

[derby378]

11. Well, now since that's on the table now...

Here's a question I haven't had a chance to research yet. In MMA, I've seen female athletes, deaf athletes, etc. But does anyone know if there are any openly gay or lesbian MMA athletes? And if so, do they encounter any resistance or problems on the circuits?

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

14. I know there are openly lesbian MMA athletes

I don't know of any issues with it. Women tend to have less problems with that, than men do, especially in sports like that.

[Mojambo]

5. I love MMA

Very much looking forward to the end of the year card.

[DarkTirade]

7. Probably less bloodshed too...

[LostinVA]

19. Actually, probably more actual blood (from elbows, etc.), but less BAD and permanent injuries

More like shiners and mouses and bruises. Except for Coey Hill's recent REALLY ICKFYING injury.

And, the UFC just raised a HUGE amout of money for a brain injury treatment fund for our injured military personnel.

Verizon FIOS is strating an UFC On Demand channel in about two months -- *swoon.* Classic fights,and pay-for-view REALLY cheap the day or mso after the big fights.

[Deja Q]

20. Ukrainian Fried Chicken?

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