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everythingsxen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 07:21 PM
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Why are most fundies hypocrites?
Edited on Fri Feb-27-04 07:32 PM by everythingsxen
The thread about the "No graven images" reminded me of some of the various logical failings of the super-fundie Christians.

No graven images is one.

How about thall shalt not kill? How many people have been butchered in the name of God?

I will leave room for others to add other blatent hypocrises that occur.

Also; can a Christian or someone who actually knows tell me where "the seven deadly sins" come from? Did Jesus like, mention them or something? Are they an amendment to the Ten Commandments?

On edit; added link back to the thread that inspired this.
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camero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 07:23 PM
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1. A guess.
Because they point to others about "the rules" when it is practically impossible to follow all the rules. And a notion of superiority.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 07:28 PM
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2. They can't see the hypocrisy, though
I have evangelical in-laws and attend an evangelical church. They honestly believe they are doing, saying, believing the right thing. :(

My gut feeling though is that they are afraid, so they cling to the rules in the Bible. (Some are power hungry, though. Like the Pharisees) But most are just scared. How can they not be? The world is a scary place now, and they are threatened with eternal torture if they step a toe out of line?

http://www.geocities.com/greenpartyvoter/liberalchristians.htm
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Mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 07:30 PM
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3. Consider what Immanuel Kant said about enlightenment
IMMANUEL KANT

An Answer to the Question: "What is Enlightenment?"

Konigsberg in Prussia, 30th September, 1784.


Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-incurred immaturity. Immaturity
is the inability to use one's own understanding without the guidance of another.
This immaturity is self-incurred if its cause is not lack of understanding, but
lack of resolution and courage to use it without the guidance of another. The
motto of enlightenment is therefore: Sapere aude! Have courage to use your own
understanding!


I think fundies are not enlightened
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BlackVelvetElvis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 07:34 PM
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4. I read that same piece last week in my history text
Guess which group I thought of?
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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 07:54 PM
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6. text in German
Found at

http://gutenberg.spiegel.de/kant/aufklae/aufkl001.htm

Beantwortung der Frage: Was ist Aufklärung?
Immanuel Kant

Aufklärung ist der Ausgang des Menschen aus seiner selbst verschuldeten Unmündigkeit. Unmündigkeit ist das Unvermögen, sich seines Verstandes ohne Leitung eines anderen zu bedienen. Selbstverschuldet ist diese Unmündigkeit, wenn die Ursache derselben nicht am Mangel des Verstandes, sondern der Entschließung und des Mutes liegt, sich seiner ohne Leitung eines anderen zu bedienen. Sapere aude! Habe Mut dich deines eigenen Verstandes zu bedienen! ist also der Wahlspruch der Aufklärung.

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absyntheNsugar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 07:46 PM
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5. 7 Deadlies were a Catholic Invention
The bible lists them as sins, but never pairs them as such.

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everythingsxen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 07:57 PM
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7. I see..
Thanks.

Why do the psycho-fundies disregard everything that their religion teaches them...

Does anyone else have nightmares of a unilateral coalition of the worlds other nations all making a speech similar to that of Bush's "these people have hijacked a religion of peace.. etc." and then heeding the Chimp-in-chiefs command to "Bring it on" ?

:scared:
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NightTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 07:59 PM
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8. Because dere f---in' mudders take it up the ass!

Seemed like a good guess to me!
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kodi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 08:08 PM
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9. faith is stronger than logic. especially superficial faith.
the truths of religion are not those of science.

trouble starts when they are confused as objective truths.

Freud was right about religion. it is a form of hysteria begat by the bewilderment of self consciousness.
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orwell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 08:25 PM
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10. Hypocrites
Most people are hypocrites. It would be hypocritical to think otherwise. :evilgrin:

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everythingsxen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 08:26 PM
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11. Good point..
However, when it comes to preaching about how one needs to be righteous and tolerant.. only to follow up with a firebomb into an abortion clinic.. well that is seriously messed up.
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mlawson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 08:33 PM
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12. The most thorough brainwashing and fear mongering you can imagine.
Either from earliest childhood, or when they are converted later on.

Imagine you are told, by parents, and/or teachers and/or your peer group (virtually everyone you know): "This book (the Bible) is LITERALLY the word of God. Period. You may NEVER question that, or you will go to hell. There are NO errors in it. Your pastor understands the book completely, and he knows what God wants YOU to do. If you do not do all this you will burn in hell for enernity!"

A lot of them are scared, and a lot of them are relieved to not have to think for themselves (indeed, they are ordered not to!). Hypocrites? that doesn't enter into their rationale (or lack of one). They are simply following orders.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 08:35 PM
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13. When I strip away the facade of any religion...
(btw I am a Christian), I see that it is always easier to find blame in others, as opposed to taking a good hard look at ones self. There seems to be an inherent fear for most people to take a good hard look at themselves and realize how messed up they really are. I had to do that, and I found all kinds of faults that needed to be corrected.

I am not afraid to look inside, I know who I am, and what I am capable of; others cannot do that. Hence, their own feelings of inadequacy are forced out on others. It is sad that this happens...far too many people are hurt in this type of exchange.

Fundies have the added illusion that they are on a mission from God; too bad they forget the parts about love, forgiveness, charity and hope they should be showing. They are as selfish as anyone else, and their hearts and souls have shriveled into things that resemble raisins baking in the sun.

O8)
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Thor_MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-04 01:19 AM
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14. It's been defined that way.
Fundamentalist is the word used to describe the most hypocrital religions.

I somewhere read (I wish I could remember who wrote it) that after 50 years or so, any organisation's main function turns to self-preservation.

Whatever the original purpose was, that soon becomes secondary to maintaining existence - eventually it may act against its original goals.

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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-04 12:55 PM
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15. There is great truth to what you have posted...
We are not in the time of Cincinatus, where one is called to perform a great task, then return to what he/she loves most and is most content with.

Another curiosity that I notice, is that after the "good work" is done, the new people in power become the oppressors. Puritans are a fine example of this situation. Leaving Britain, to find religious freedom, (among other things), they quickly became the purveyors of religious intolerance. History is replete with examples of such behavior.

O8)
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